US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[NarrowBandFtw]

Because Russia is a huge country with a penchant for militarization and nukes and it has been also corrupting Europe from within, putting Europeans against each other. If they played fair, opened up, removed most of their arsenal and removed much of their weaponry maybe they'd be admitted.

USA ticks all those boxes, it is in NATO, check mate on your BS logic

Yes and Russia considers itself a successor of the USSR and is behaving like the USSR. Instead of being like say Switzerland or Czechia they are belligerent. Here we see why NATO is needed.

more BS, if I wanted the sound of a flushing toilet I'd turn on CNN, thanks, your conjecture is meaningless

And we haven't heard threats of horrible things from Russia, ever?

give me a single example of one that was unprovoked

 

[vigras rojara]

Incredible how some MyBroederbonders have transformed into MyBolshevikBrothers.

We live in strange times where old Justin from Canada is a tyrant for wanting to disperse a protest (which our local right wingers have been known to call for live ammunition to be used to achieve the same purpose), but a dictator for life invading another country is justified.

So. Very. Weird.

 

[Wut]

Check out that green screen behind her. I bet she is safe and sound in Hollywood!

No, her I believe as you never ever mess with Slav women. Ever! I've got the scars to prove it.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The pathetic party is one which justifies war. Sick.

which is nobody in this thread

your logic is sick

 

[Cray]

you've never noticed how it allows anyone to join, except Russia?

Weird, last I checked they haven't allow Ukraine to join despite them wanting to..

As for Russia wanting to join NATO...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule

Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule​

George Robertson recalls Russian president did not want to wait in line with ‘countries that don’t matter’

Perhaps if Putin has shown a bit of humility and not regarded Russia as superior to everyone else they might have been allowed to join...

 

[s0lar]

Perhaps if Putin has shown a bit of humility and not regarded Russia as superior to everyone else they might have been allowed to join...

Can you back that up or is it just a hunch you have?

 

[Mirai]

Thank you. War is always the last option. Here it wasn't necessary.

 

[Kieppie]

Ukraine has a land border with 4 NATO countries, so Putin invading Ukraine brings Russia closer to those 4 borders.

Hence the excuse that he doesn't want a NATO neighbour doesn't fly.

Since he stated he believes Ukraine is implicitly Russian and is now invading it, it certainly suggest he wishes Ukraine to be part of Russia.

What error in geography have I made?

That's precisely the reason why occupying Ukraine would not make sense. You don't open up more flanks.

Ukraine fought a 10 year war against USSR which had much more resources than Russia now has. As soon as conflict enters urban areas then asymmetric warfare comes into it's own.
My bet is that this is a hard and fast push to obtain leverage at the negotiation table, after which they will fall back, probably solidifying the "independent" claims of the southern areas. Which leaves Ukraine still as a buffer area.

Unless they have some more elaborate plan this appears to be their attempt to make some gains after they lost the influence game to the west

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Weird, last I checked they haven't allow Ukraine to join despite them wanting to..

As for Russia wanting to join NATO...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule



Perhaps if Putin has shown a bit of humility and not regarded Russia as superior to everyone else they might have been allowed to join...

The Guardian ... again ... really?

shall I counter with a Sputnik article that refutes it, or is that somehow too biased?

indeed they haven't allowed Ukraine to join, yet, they also have not denied their application and they told Russia gfy on that "not one inch eastward" expansion promise

anyone can put those factors together and conclude the same thing Russia's concluded decades ago: NATO won't stop

the only difference is they couldn't push back when Latvia, Lithuania etc joined, now they can and they have

 

[Cray]

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

1,625 UN and US inspectors spent two years searching 1,700 sites at a cost of more than $1bn. Yesterday they delivered their verdict.

www.theguardian.com

Good enough or should I break it down a bit more for you?

Wait, NATO was involved in the invasion of Iraq? Because I could have sworn that France, Turkey and most NATO members had f*** all to do with it...?

 

[yebocan]

Incredible how some MyBroederbonders have transformed into MyBolshevikBrothers.

We live in strange times where old Justin from Canada is a tyrant for wanting to disperse a protest (which our local right wingers have been known to call for live ammunition to be used to achieve the same purpose), but a dictator for life invading another country is justified.

So. Very. Weird.

not weird at all...just how they see the world...your internal state permeates into the outside world... -we are all different and have all our own BS...some's BS is just uber level

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Wait, NATO was involved in the invasion of Iraq? Because I could have sworn that France, Turkey and most NATO members had f*** all to do with it...?

you can't be serious?

France will stay in Iraq even if US withdraws: Macron

France's President Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday his country will continue to deploy troops in Iraq to battle terrorism whether or not the US decided to

english.alarabiya.net

 

[SeRpEnT]

Dude I dated a Serbian women for a good 4 years. I can attest to this 1000%

Failed mail order bride comes to mind...llol.

 

[Cray]

Can you back that up or is it just a hunch you have?

Is English not your first language? I said "perhaps" I didn't make a definitive statement.

 

[Mirai]

USA ticks all those boxes, it is in NATO, check mate on your BS logic

While the USA is not innocent it is the best option out there. I'll sadly tell you that perfect angelic people like those on Star Trek don't exist.

And we want the US there. Nobody wants Russia there. I am European. I want the NATO there. Americans over Russians. America allows Europe to be free. Russia, well it definitely did not allow E Europe to be free. And they put nukes in central Europe too.

more BS, if I wanted the sound of a flushing toilet I'd turn on CNN, thanks, your conjecture is meaningless

You can disagree. But if they didn't they'd disarm and let separatist republics go. There is no reason to have so much military and have people suffer such hard lives. So much death in Chechnya.

give me a single example of one that was unprovoked

Ah so special pleading here.

 

[s0lar]

Wait, NATO was involved in the invasion of Iraq? Because I could have sworn that France, Turkey and most NATO members had f*** all to do with it...?

Stop trying to side skirt and edit my comments again.

NATO members have in the past manufactured consent to attack a nation. Just think "weapons of mass destruction". What stops them from doing the same again, but with the added advantage of a wide border.

here

 

[IndigoIdentity]

but south africa is run by communists...

Some people, will just never get it...

Before the riots last year and during the declaration of war at Zumas Capitol Palace, I had picked up something odd that really didn't make much sense to me at the time but it sure as hell does now.

See here where I time linked the portion of an SABC broadcast (a SOE by the way):

https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/what-is-this-with-this-split-in-audio-during-the-sabc-broadcast.1144377/#post-27634979

My point of view, SA is just about there... It seems evident given the differing stance and language that is used by the government. They are divided on the matter of Ukraine.

They all need to go and buy a red beret, they might all be sold out by the time the snow starts.

 

[Cray]

you can't be serious?

France will stay in Iraq even if US withdraws: Macron

France's President Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday his country will continue to deploy troops in Iraq to battle terrorism whether or not the US decided to

english.alarabiya.net

Please provide evidence that proves that the invasion of Iraq was a NATO operation.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

While the USA is not innocent it is the best option out there

we're done, if you actually believe the pure k@k in that post there is no hope for you at all

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Please provide evidence that proves that the invasion of Iraq was a NATO operation.

did I make that claim?

you said you were sure other NATO members, like France, were not involved

France was very much involved, so was the UK, the list goes on