US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Cray]

Stop trying to side skirt and edit my comments again.



here

NATO members acting independently of NATO is not the same as NATO acting as an organization.

 

[Cray]

The Guardian ... again ... really?

shall I counter with a Sputnik article that refutes it, or is that somehow too biased?

indeed they haven't allowed Ukraine to join, yet, they also have not denied their application and they told Russia gfy on that "not one inch eastward" expansion promise

anyone can put those factors together and conclude the same thing Russia's concluded decades ago: NATO won't stop

the only difference is they couldn't push back when Latvia, Lithuania etc joined, now they can and they have

Has NATO ever explicitly stated that Russia cannot join?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Has NATO ever explicitly stated that Russia cannot join?

has NATO ever explicitly stated that ISIS cannot join?

you should know better than ask for negatives to be proven

 

[vigras rojara]

not weird at all...just how they see the world...your internal state permeates into the outside world... -we are all different and have all our own BS...some's BS is just uber level

It's the authoritarian thing I think they like.

 

[Mirai]

we're done, if you actually believe the pure k@k in that post there is no hope for you at all

Of course we're done. You have to justify USSR like tactics in Europe and you're justifying and defending a war. A half decent person would condemn the war and then say, we need to be more 'fair' on Russia and have a better partnership plan... but force NATO to disarm?... not a word against war...

Contrast to you, I am sad that Russians are dying and Ukrainians are dying. I like both of them. I had Russian friends. I don't see a reason why anybody should die, lose their home etc. The people being shot up are innocent. I suppose that's a difference between someone with humanity and someone who doesn't have it.

 

[supersunbird]

Can you back that up or is it just a hunch you have?

So what did Putin want when Russia wanted to join NATO?

 

[s0lar]

NATO members acting independently of NATO is not the same as NATO acting as an organization.

What difference does that make? Did NATO intervene or did they too buy into the "manufactured concent"? What would stop them acting as a joint coalition in the future?

Hint I already know the answer.

 

[Cray]

has NATO ever explicitly stated that ISIS cannot join?

you should know better than ask for negatives to be proven

So Russia has never asked to join and NATO has never said no but you take that to mean that Russia cannot join...?

 

[Vorastra]

TOS-1 "heavy flamethrower" AKA a thermobaric MLRS spotted in Ukraine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t21l66

 

[Mirai]

NATO members acting independently of NATO is not the same as NATO acting as an organization.

NATO bad because US once had slavery. Russia always good. They defeated bad guy Hitler. So they can rule over Europe forever.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So Russia has never asked to join and NATO has never said no but you take that to mean that Russia cannot join...?

I'm not even planning to follow your zany mental gymnastics

anyone who knows what NATO's purpose is will immediately know Russian membership can never be entertained

without anyone to oppose NATO would disintegrate in less than a year, for that matter China won't be allowed either

 

[Mirai]

TOS-1 "heavy flamethrower" AKA a thermobaric MLRS spotted in Ukraine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t21l66

Yeah if those are used, many civilians will die. Good old Narrow will celebrate.

 

[Cray]

did I make that claim?

you said you were sure other NATO members, like France, were not involved

France was very much involved, so was the UK, the list goes on

What part did France play in the invasion and defeat of Iraq in 2003?

Because I seem to remember a whole lot of idiot Americans calling French fries to Freedom fries because France opposed the invasion...

 

[Vrotappel]

you've never noticed how it allows anyone to join, except Russia?
you didn't know it was specifically created to counter the USSR?
you haven't noticed how it routinely issues threats specifically at Russia ... throwing around horseshyte press releases that a cyber attack can trigger article 5?

NATO exists to be a threat to Russia, this is elementary, not anyone's dreams, it is simple fact

It exists as protection against communism.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Communism has thus far killed more people than any other religion, theist or atheist.

Because of the killing the communists did since they came to power.... all of Eastern Europe suffered more under their sphere than they ever did under the German sphere.... they sided with the Germans because they literally saw them as liberators from hell of earth.

Before that however there was a constant state of war between all these groups, no one is innocent historically.

It's funny how the fascists always come back to bite your a$$ or how it never ends well for them. A figurative slither of hydras I guess.

 

[s0lar]

I'm not even planning to follow your zany mental gymnastics

anyone who knows what NATO's purpose is will immediately know Russian membership can never be entertained

without anyone to oppose NATO would disintegrate in less than a year, for that matter China won't be allowed either

Only thing he has is twisting minor semantics. Thinks he is Gerry Nel. In his mind that is.

 

[Mirai]

I'm not even planning to follow your zany mental gymnastics

anyone who knows what NATO's purpose is will immediately know Russian membership can never be entertained

without anyone to oppose NATO would disintegrate in less than a year, for that matter China won't be allowed either

Because Russia currently has the largest nuke arsenal. It keeps countires like Chechnya in the fold by force. It uses force against others.

So yes Europeans who had Russian occupation for 50 years are tired of that BS. Russia must change and then they'll be let into NATO easily.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What part did France play in the invasion and defeat of Iraq in 2003?

Because I seem to rember a whole lot of idiot Americans calling French fries to Freedom fries because France opposed the invasion...

the invasion is ongoing, you can't stop the clock in 2003

everyone that jumped in between then and now has invaded

 

[chemfis]

Although current Serbian priorities do not include NATO membership, the Alliance has offered Serbia an invitation to enter the intensified dialogue programme whenever the country is ready.[44] On 1 October 2008, Serbian Defence Minister Dragan Šutanovac signed the Information Exchange Agreement with the NATO, one of the prerequisites for fuller membership in the Partnership for Peace programme.[45]

In 2015 Serbia implemented its first Individual Partnership Action Plan with NATO,[46] regularly participates in its military maneuvers and hosted a joint civil protection exercise with NATO in 2018.[47][48]

My wife's family is Serbian and I have been there 8 times in the last 15 years and spoken to many family, friends and random people, I repeat, Serbia does NOT want to join NATO.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

It exists as protection against communism.

then it should aim at China, an actual communist country
not Russia, a historically communist country

yet it is doing the exact opposite