US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Wut]

-Since then Ukraine has been working on herself, becoming a strong independent woman with help from friends like France, America, Poland etc. offering her support, loaning her money, & helping her find her way.

In exchange for special favours

 

[Nicodeamus]

Well - it is Facebook... Gotta keep their Trump support base happy somehow.

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that is the other part of this story, Trump was all in favour of appeasing Russia, but he loved the fact that the Neo Nazi movements that the US supported created his support base back home.

There is no logical consistency here, it's just about power money and a stupid geopolitical entanglement.

 

[supersunbird]

the whole story is idiotic, this isn't a democratic country, it ranks as one of the most oppressive and corrupt in the world.

the US funded these groups and now the got blowback as the white nationalist narratives radicalized their own troops. Ukranian Lobbiests are also hard at work in drawing Washington into this new war.

Their president might be Jewish, but there is a severe underplay of the deep nationalism and nazism going on in Ukraine at the moment.

Then on top of that US military contractors effectively saw Ukraine as a dumping ground for their weapons, and obviously whenever there is oil involved money just keeps on flowing.

Don't talk like that about Russia!

 

[Polymathic]

Nice guns
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Fear the Gopniks

 

[Gramps66]

Give this man a "Bells"

 

[Nicodeamus]

Don't talk like that about Russia!

there is a higher chance of Russia being a democratic country and Ukraine,

and that is a very very very very low bar.

 

[yebocan]

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here is another one of those "democratic freedom fighters"

when your country is being invaded, you kinda stop seeing the social stratification/issues - and its all hands on deck. I do love the moral imperative spiel that gets pulled out ... sure on some conservative forum, the gays, the drug pusher - the dead beats of society is being held up as well, as "those democratic freedom fighters" - not forgetting all those that were in their prison and where released to assist with the defence of their country.

 

[Mirai]

In exchange for special favours

Wrong person. But still a noxious response.

 

[Gyre]

there is a higher chance of Russia being a democratic country and Ukraine,

and that is a very very very very low bar.

Russia democratically invaded Ukraine

 

[supersunbird]

there is a higher chance of Russia being a democratic country and Ukraine,

and that is a very very very very low bar.

Putin is president for almost 10 years now (as his second stint as president). In that same time period Ukraine is on it's 3rd president...

 

[Wut]

You should stop listening to nonsense from your wife and her family.

If Latvia sucks so much, move back to Russia. You should do this as well.

You marry into the Soviets and you spread pro-war propaganda here. Shame on you bud.

Um, what?

 

[Mirai]

that is the other part of this story, Trump was all in favour of appeasing Russia, but he loved the fact that the Neo Nazi movements that the US supported created his support base back home.

There is no logical consistency here, it's just about power money and a stupid geopolitical entanglement.

I don't know what support base "Neo Nazi" movements in the US "Created". I thought they were mostly working class whites who lost their jobs etc.

Pretty useless assessment as usual from you.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Putin is president for almost 10 years now (as his second stint as president). In that same time period Ukraine is on it's 3rd president...

Don't forget to mention the US instigated coup d'etat and the use of the law to imprison political opposition,

 

[Mirai]

Um, what?

As said, wrong person. Not you. Sorry bud.

 

[supersunbird]

Yip, keep watching...
wait for headlines on the hour at 11.

Nearly there! I haven't watched this much CNN in decades.

 

[Nicodeamus]

I don't know what support base "Neo Nazi" movements in the US "Created". I thought they were mostly working class whites who lost their jobs etc.

Pretty useless assessment as usual from you.

it's very simple, if you trump up neo nazis abroad don't think that those narratives won't come home.
Why do you think French, USA and UK children go and fight for ISIS, because eventually the ideas and support for Saudi Arabia and the Middle East/Sahel despots come filtering back home.

That is why we had the 2016 attacks in Paris.

The Neo Nazi movements, charletsville etc was blowback for the support of these movements in the ukraine.

 

[saturnz]

at what point does this become a joke

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497653933782745089

 

[Mirai]

it's very simple, if you trump up neo nazis abroad don't think that those narratives won't come home.
Why do you think French, USA and UK children go and fight for ISIS, because eventually the ideas and support for Saudi Arabia and the Middle East/Sahel despots come filtering back home.

That is why we had the 2016 attacks in Paris, the Neo Nazi movements, charletsville etc was blowback for the support of these movements in the ukraine.

No that's just nonsense. Most of Trump's support were working class, mostly white people, usually M > F. There are few American Neo Nazis and the Charlottesville thing was a couple thousand people at best. It doesn't express the tens of millions who voted for him. It's a drop in a bucket.

I don't think the average 8chan or qanon whatever it was nonsense, reading kid, even knew where Ukraine was.

 

[Drifter]

the whole story is idiotic, this isn't a democratic country, it ranks as one of the most oppressive and corrupt in the world.

the US funded these groups and now the got blowback as the white nationalist narratives radicalized their own troops. Ukranian Lobbiests are also hard at work in drawing Washington into this new war.

Their president might be Jewish, but there is a severe underplay of the deep nationalism and nazism going on in Ukraine at the moment.

Then on top of that US military contractors effectively saw Ukraine as a dumping ground for their weapons, and obviously whenever there is oil involved money just keeps on flowing.

Jeepers, that stuff you are smoking is potent.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Biden banning Russia from US airspace because of Ukraine

What we know about the Russian attack on Ukraine so far.

www.armytimes.com

Karkiv the second largest city is almost lost to Russia.