US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[daveza]

Another one just for Vorastra.

 

[Mirai]

If there is an Azov brigade, so now there's or there was one from Kadyrov. So Russophiles are OK now. It's all justified?

 

[buka001]

Nobody denies russia and it's puppet state Belarus being oppressive,

but I am not the one being stupid enough to take on a nuclear powered nation and one of the largest armies in the world in an idiotic proxy war. The US instigated the 2014 coup d'état, the US funded the neo nazi movements, the US poured tons of arms into the country and trump up Zelensky's military that constantly shelled his Russian minority.

Then we sit back and clap our hands and pretend that we didn't provoke putin into an attack. I didn't expect that Russia would attack Ukraine to this end, but I am not surprised. It's a repeat of Georgia.

If you invite a hostile a hostile military power on Russia's borders then they are going to moer you hard. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Puppet state Belarus.

See, exactly what Putin wants of Ukraine.

Thus expanding his front with NATO.

 

[Blu82]

And then what happened

Nothing they are basically flying Cap circles a missiles throw away from the action above NATO countries.

 

[buka001]

Russian-Ukrainian peace talks to start on Belarusian border - report

"We agreed that the Ukrainian delegation would meet with the Russian delegation without preconditions on the Ukrainian-Belarusian border, near the Pripyat River."

www.jpost.com

Zelensky is still not giving up,
more pain to come.

You seem delighted with the prospect of this forthcoming pain.

 

[ScrooV]

Proving my point - find any picture of Trump, Biden, Hilary or Obama in a military uniform.

I am not saying Putin isn't a terrifying badass himself, but the Ukrainian president doesn't have the same history and is still a badass

About the only thing Trump and Zelenskiy have in common, are IMDB profiles.

 

[Mirai]

Hence my sarcastic comment.
Not sure what the point of posting about NATO's useless flight patterns.

Patrolling the skies. In case any Russian craft veers in. Not sure, that's OK. You don't pay for NATO, don't worry.
Nice concern trolling.

 

[buka001]

Nato doesn't have the will to take on Russia and Putin knows it.
All that they can do not is impose meaningless sanctions and/or send more weapons to Ukraine, but that has been the strategy since the US instigated the coup d'état in 2014.

With the French elections coming up in a few months, Macron isn't going to give any support for a full scale NATO involvement as he is running against Zemmour who openly declares that he will refuse Ukraine Nato membership.

Ok, so why is he scared of NATO then?

Invalidates the "it was because of NATO" argument.

 

[Mirai]

Putin's reaction is best understood by the Afrikaans saying,

As jy vir kak soek, gaan jy kak kry.

Putin will not recover from this. No Western leader will talk to him again. He'll have to stick to the Chinese and North Koreans.

 

[Nicodeamus]

You seem delighted with the prospect of this forthcoming pain.

I am not delighted, I would prefer if Zelensky negotiates with Russia, he language shouldn't be an issue for him.

if I was Ukraine I would just ask for Minks II to be respected, that was signed in 2015 and remain neutral, comporable to Austria during the cold war or Finland today,

but no, Nato wants to continue to bring pain to the Ukranian people by insisting that Russia has a hostile miltiary alliance on its borders.

 

[Vorastra]

Patrolling the skies. In case any Russian craft veers in. Not sure, that's OK. You don't pay for NATO, don't worry.
Nice concern trolling.

Who pays for NATO.

 

[Mirai]

You seem delighted with the prospect of this forthcoming pain.

He lives in France. He tells us how the French white man is superior because of his culture. How French schools rock. But Putin is also cool. Everyone else, nah. They're just trash. Why he doesn't move to Russia? I don't know.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Ok, so why is he scared of NATO then?

Invalidates the "it was because of NATO" argument.

because Nato instigated a coup d'etat on his borders? in Khazakstan and Ukraine. They also invited Georgie into a hostile military alliance in 2005.

America would not tolerate it if Mexico is drawn into a "defensive" military alliance with China or Russia.
When Lesotho wanted its water resources in 1997, South Africa invaded,

That is simply how geopolitics works, you're always constrained by a powerful neighbour. it's a fact of life. The best deal that Ukraine can get is Finland, France and Germany won't allow it into Nato, for geopolitical reasons.

 

[Mirai]

Who pays for NATO.

I pay for it. Some of my taxes. It's not your money. Don't worry about it.

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

Proving my point - find any picture of Trump, Biden, Hilary or Obama in a military uniform.

I am not saying Putin isn't a terrifying badass himself, but the Ukrainian president doesn't have the same history and is still a badass

Interesting....

I thought badass was considered toxic by you types

 

[Vorastra]

I pay for it. Some of my taxes. It's not your money. Don't worry about it.

Weird, considering I'm a Portuguese citizen.
Tell me again, who pays for it?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Putin will not recover from this. No Western leader will talk to him again. He'll have to stick to the Chinese and North Koreans.

120 countries worldwide (last time I checked) couldn't be bothered. Europe still needs russian gas, they will find a way to trade.

 

[buka001]

I am not delighted, I would prefer if Zelensky negotiates with Russia, he language shouldn't be an issue for him.

if I was Ukraine I would just ask for Minks II to be respected, that was signed in 2015 and remain neutral, comporable to Austria during the cold war or Finland today,

but no, Nato wants to continue to bring pain to the Ukranian people by insisting that Russia has a hostile miltiary alliance on its borders.

Oh sorry I must be mistaken. I thought the Russians were the ones who are currently invading a sovereign nation.

 

[Vorastra]

...a sovereign nation.

Terms and conditions apply.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Oh sorry I must be mistaken. I thought the Russians were the ones who are currently invading a sovereign nation.

You cannot look at this event without taking into account that the democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 when the USA instigated a violent coup d'etat and then afterwards trumped up Neo Nazi movements that shelled the people of the donbas reasons for the last 8 years. Unless you accept that as background to Russia's response, you're living in fantasy land.