US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Nicodeamus said:
because Nato instigated a coup d'etat on his borders? in Khazakstan and Ukraine. They also invited Georgie into a hostile military alliance in 2005.
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Yeah a coup. So we have all these civilians fighting for those who overthrew them supposedly. Basically you don't like it that most Ukrainians voted for a non pro Russia guy.

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America would not tolerate it if Mexico is drawn into a "defensive" military alliance with China or Russia.
When Lesotho wanted its water resources in 1997, South Africa invaded,
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Mexico would not do this. Mexico is democratic. They don't have an interest in that. What if Canada was run by Putin and what if SA was run by Trump. OOhhhh... yeah rubbish hypothetical situations which don't take history and actual geopolitics into consideration.

America is democratic.
Mexico is democratic.
Ukraine is democratic but not perfect.
Russia is ??? Same guy always gets re-elected. I don't know. Reminds me of the Tsars.
 
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Nicodeamus said:
You cannot look at this event without taking into account that the democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 when the USA instigated a violent coup d'etat and then afterwards trumped up Neo Nazi movements that shelled the people of the donbas reasons for the last 8 years. Unless you accept that as background to Russia's response, you're living in fantasy land.
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No that was fine because he was aligned with Russia. So that was a good coup.
 
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Nicodeamus said:
You cannot look at this event without taking into account that the democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 when the USA instigated a violent coup d'etat and then afterwards trumped up Neo Nazi movements that shelled the people of the donbas reasons for the last 8 years. Unless you accept that as background to Russia's response, you're living in fantasy land.
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Russia brought in Chechen militia. Those guys who would cut the throats of Russians. Their effectiveness won't be good because you can only be a partisan in your own country, Ukrainian partisans will take care of them but it's no different.
 
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Yeah a coup. So we have all these civilians fighting for those who overthrew them supposedly. Basically you don't like it that most Ukrainians voted for a non pro Russia guy.
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no it was a violent coup d'etat with snipers trained by the CIA.

Mirai said:
Mexico would not do this. Mexico is democratic. They don't have an interest in that. What if Canada was run by Putin and what if SA was run by Trump. OOhhhh... yeah rubbish hypothetical situations which don't take history and actual geopolitics into consideration.

America is democratic.
Mexico is democratic.
Ukraine is democratic but not perfect.
Russia is ??? Same guy always gets re-elected. I don't know. Reminds me of the Tsars.
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I don't see how you can take this statement seriously, Zelensky effectively shelled his russian minority for the last 8 years, that is democratic?
 
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Nicodeamus said:
You cannot look at this event without taking into account that the democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 when the USA instigated a violent coup d'etat and then afterwards trumped up Neo Nazi movements that shelled the people of the donbas reasons for the last 8 years. Unless you accept that as background to Russia's response, you're living in fantasy land.
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When are you organising an invasion of the US, to take out all their Neo-Nazi organisations?
 
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no it was a violent coup d'etat with snipers trained by the CIA.
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Yeah and then they had free elections. Did you know that at one stage all countries were non democratic?

France at one stage had some chieftains.

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I don't see how you can take this statement seriously, Zelensky effectively shelled his russian minority for the last 8 years, that is democratic?
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Let's have full proof of that. Objective proof. If there was, Russia which is a permanent member of the UN Security Council would present that and take him to the Hague. They could easily prosecute him. Instead they start a war NOW, so many years later after their insurgents were not able to take full control of these areas.

It's always the same thing Mr Geopolitics. Countries show aspiration to be in NATO, Russian minorities are agitated to cause trouble and then poor Tsar Putin has to help them out because his is the only justice.

Move to Russia man.
 
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When are you organising an invasion of the US, to take out all their Neo-Nazi organisations?
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Before I do that, don't you think it would be much more effective to just stop giving our tax money and weapons to the Neo Nazis?
 
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I guess that is part of it, although if think Putin's propaganda is just to good for their small brains.
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I'm seeing all the big MAGA people, I follow at least, on Twitter shtting on Putin. Which are you seeing?
 
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Mirai said:
Yeah a coup. So we have all these civilians fighting for those who overthrew them supposedly. Basically you don't like it that most Ukrainians voted for a non pro Russia guy.



Mexico would not do this. Mexico is democratic. They don't have an interest in that. What if Canada was run by Putin and what if SA was run by Trump. OOhhhh... yeah rubbish hypothetical situations which don't take history and actual geopolitics into consideration.

America is democratic.
Mexico is democratic.
Ukraine is democratic but not perfect.
Russia is ??? Same guy always gets re-elected. I don't know. Reminds me of the Tsars.
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you throw this word democratic around as if it actually means something
 
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