US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Vorastra]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497619431341625351

 

[Kosmik]

I wish Zelensky would invite citizens of other countries to come and join them in making war against Russia. Offer them and their families citizenship for helping. Next plane out I would outright join and help...

He has. Ukraine foreign brigade or something.

 

[capd]

but don't worry kids, that Nazi ideology that we funded in Ukraine might be responsible for the rise of nazism at home.

Blowback: How US-funded fascists in Ukraine mentor American white supremacists - The Grayzone

Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly, under the nose of a shrugging law enforcement — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons...

thegrayzone.com

So on the one hand we condemn far right nazis at home, but we support them when they are fighting Russians. That sounds like the war on terror all over again.

Quoting for posterity. Nothing like the realisation of one’s own deep hypocrisy to help things settle in a little more.

 

[Blu82]

photoshopped

Not really sure what point photo shopping another one will really proof. There is way to many expended rockets in Ukraine for this one to make a difference.

There is also to many senseless examples of civilian deaths due to unguided weapons. The one that sticks with me is the cycling girl that took a direct hit during the early invasion.
There is a set of impact, aftermath and geo located videos in the wild.

 

[flytek]

That all gets conveniently forgotten by the local Red brigade...

You can't call it an election if literally millions of your population are being shelled by your army and did not vote...
You can't keep the Russian supporting vote out of the elections by failing to implement the peace accords for 5 years and call that an election.
There has been no real election in Ukraine since 2010...the 2019 one was a farce and anyone who sees it as free and fair is a complete fool.

 

[Vorastra]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497875945218314240

 

[capd]

but don't worry kids, that Nazi ideology that we funded in Ukraine might be responsible for the rise of nazism at home.

Blowback: How US-funded fascists in Ukraine mentor American white supremacists - The Grayzone

Not only are white supremacists from across the West flocking to Ukraine to learn from the combat experience of their fascist brothers-in-arms, they are doing so openly, under the nose of a shrugging law enforcement — chronicling their experiences on social media before they bring their lessons...

thegrayzone.com

So on the one hand we condemn far right nazis at home, but we support them when they are fighting Russians. That sounds like the war on terror all over again.

Quoting for posterity. Nothing like the realisation of one’s own deep hypocrisy to help things settle in a little more.

 

[Mirai]

no, like most sensible people who read into this conflict, I would like to see Minks II be respected, but that is now a fantasy,

If you were sensible you're realise your France prospers more when there is peace. If Russia looked after its own people instead of sending cash to foreign regions, as the Tsars did in the past, they would be better off. They would maybe buy more Rennaults, if those are still in French hands. Your buds there, would prosper also. Maybe one day Russia would be in the EU and you could just go there on holiday. OK, I get it. You have some grievance against the West, Putin stronk, so Putin OK. But to live there, not for you. Pax Americana is what you benefit from.

 

[Nicodeamus]

You are now shifting the goal posts. You don't want Ukraine to not be under Russian influence. Because Putin stronk, it's OK. Guy beats wife, it's also OK. Man rapes baby, also OK. Because power = right. OK.

there is no goalpoasts being shifted, the best deal that Ukraine can get is MINKS II, because again, France will never accept Ukraine as part of NATO.

Ukraine is a buffer state and it can be play an important role in negotiating between Russia and the white, but it cannot be part of a military alliance with either russe or the west.

That would create war in Europe.

This is the view the Kissinger, Chomsky, Peter Hitchen, Mearsheimer, Anatol Lieven and just about anyone who knows anything about geopolitics advocated.

But now thanks to NATO not listening the Ukranians are suffering,

Ukraine: The Most Dangerous Problem in the World

But there’s already a solution.

www.thenation.com

read the above article, the most dangerous problem in the world has in theory the simplist solution. Although I think after Russia's attack it's less likely that Ukraine will be neutral and more likely that the country stays in a semi war situation for a long time.

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

I wish Zelensky would invite citizens of other countries to come and join them in making war against Russia. Offer them and their families citizenship for helping. Next plane out I would outright join and help...

He already said this and will give you a free gun.

 

[The Trutherizer]

 

[wireddreams]

Putin will not recover from this. No Western leader will talk to him again. He'll have to stick to the Chinese and North Koreans.

Of course they will. They want his oil and gas...

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Give this man a "Bells"

I feel the need to give you both a "Bells", that was brilliant and I am guilty myself of falling into this well defined trap.

 

[Nicodeamus]

If you were sensible you're realise your France prospers more when there is peace. If Russia looked after its own people instead of sending cash to foreign regions, as the Tsars did in the past, they would be better off. They would maybe buy more Rennaults, if those are still in French hands. Your buds there, would prosper also. Maybe one day Russia would be in the EU and you could just go there on holiday. OK, I get it. You have some grievance against the West, Putin stronk, so Putin OK. But to live there, not for you. Pax Americana is what you benefit from.

peace is not maintained by building up a hostile military presence on Russia's borders, that listen should have been learned when a coup attempt was done in Khazakstan, Belarus, Ukraine in 2014 and when Georgia toyed with the idea of joining Nato.

Peace is maintained through bufferzones.
Nothing stops Ukraine from being prosperous economically and russia probably won't oppose them joining the EU, but there is a security concern to russia if they join a military alliance.


I can already go on holiday in Russia, thanks to Brics south africans have visa free access.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

2021?

 

[Mirai]

there is no goalpoasts being shifted, the best deal that Ukraine can get is MINKS II, because again, France will never accept Ukraine as part of NATO.

Never say never.

Ukraine is a buffer state and it can be play an important role in negotiating between Russia and the white, but it cannot be part of a military alliance with either russe or the west.

That would create war in Europe.

Yes because French and Germans (Prussians) and Brits and French, were always friends and who would forsee that one day there would be friendship with no need for buffer states. Just blew your whole argument out of the water.

This is the view the Kissinger, Chomsky, Peter Hitchen, Mearsheimer, Anatol Lieven and just about anyone who knows anything about geopolitics advocated.

Yeah, when?

Peter Hitchen? Seriously?

All that stops Ukraine from being in NATO is that Russia has empire pretentions due to the system they have and the cadre which rules them. But this can change. The Russians had to accept many things even with the current crew and they will accept more. It's that or existential war, and they won't go into active war to the death to prevent war to the death.

 

[Nicodeamus]

He already said this and will give you a free gun.

no one is going to fight for a country that was artificially constructed 20 years ago, Ukranians aren't even united and have no serious esprit de corps to speak of.

 

[Blu82]

Interesting if proven to be true.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497841979673268230

 

[Cray]

You can't call it an election if literally millions of your population are being shelled by your army and did not vote...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election

Roughly 12 % of eligible voters didn't vote in the election.

Volodymyr Zelensky got 73.22% of the vote - 13,541,528 votes.

Petro Poroshenko got 24.45% of the vote - 4,522,320 votes

34,544,993 where eligible to vote in the whole country, 12% of that number is 4 145 399 people.

Zelensky won by a margin of 9 019 208 votes.

Those 12% not voting is not great in a democracy but even if they had all voted, they would not have changed the outcome of the election.

 

[Mirai]

peace is not maintained by building up a hostile military presence on Russia's borders, that listen should have been learned when a coup attempt was done in Khazakstan, Belarus, Ukraine in 2014 and when Georgia toyed with the idea of joining Nato.

Actually NATO prevented a war with the Warsaw Pact. It now keeps the Russians out of their former satellites.
Americans and Russians and then Allied occupation curbed and prevented German militarism. Same for Japan.

Peace is maintained through bufferzones.
Nothing stops Ukraine from being prosperous economically and russia probably won't oppose them joining the EU, but there is a security concern to russia if they join a military alliance.


I can already go on holiday in Russia, thanks to Brics south africans have visa free access.

Not ultimately. We know what Russia wants but that's really the wish of the ruling elites. There is no reason they should ultimately get what they want given their threats, and their interference in European and US politics.