US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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s0lar said:
If there is a Ukraine after this? Whats your view? A puppet government? Russia gets defeated on the ground?

Do they get an honorary NATO membership?
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Russian advance will be brought to a standstill and they will be pushed back a bit and then it will stabilize after talks. Russian sanctions will continue until they give up what was taken. Ukraine will definitely become a NATO member and Sweden and Finland maybe too,

Russia should just let those they "want to protect" come live in Russia.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
With Russia party to whatever system the Chinese have, it's going to face an uphill battle for wider adoption.
Don't know if you noticed, but the world is serious about isolating Russia economically.
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Certainly that is the propaganda being aired 24-7. Small problem is that trust in media and western leaders is ebbing. People are not stupid and see what they did in the Middle East and North Africa South America etc. and how they have warred and interfered in other countries. The Western leaders have the microphone but their show is getting stale and less believable.
 
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For the most part yes,not perfect but I think it reflected the will of the majority.

Now please answer my question, should the democratic process of an entire country be put on hold because 12% of the population can't be civil and insist on armed insurrection? This conflict has been ongoing for years, what would you have done differently to elect a leader?
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The election was a farce...there was a multi year old agreement to reintegrate the Donbass region into the country.
The election should have been held after that....however nobody running or backing the illegitimate regime were interested in implementing the minsk agreements now were they?
If there was no suppression of the Eastern parties and votes the results would have looked more like 2010.
 
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The Stalinist model is characterized by "central planning (supposedly by the government for the people but this turned out very bad for the people), nationalization, and one-party state, along with public ownership of the means of production, accelerated industrialization, pro-active development of society's productive forces (research and development), and nationalized natural resources."

This authoritarian model basically died out with Communism.

With the Canadian trucker fiasco and sanctions as a weapon we see the modern or neo-liberal model isn't any less authoritarian. It is still characterized by central planning only now the financial system (FED, SWIFT, BIS) is in private control and controlled for the purpose keeping those in control in power. It is characterized by privatization, mostly duopoly party systems controlled by money interests (again, basically financial system central planning), private ownership of the means of production, privatization of natural resources, accelerated financialization (de-industrialization), pro-active development of society's productive forces (research and development).

I think people are starting to see the authoritarian streak in the current world order and they don't like it.

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He's not wrong on many points here however Charles Manson had some good points as well.

The mentioned socio political issues doesn't merit military intervention unless it's to defend your own people from a militia. He despises western culture yet uses anti western culture as an example of why it's bad. o_O
 
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I'm just asking what bravery has to do with him standing in a tent with his family.
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Really...? It's a commentary on the sort of challenges his daily life entails..

He is a rich, entitled Millionaire, he seldom if ever gets challenged about anything.. Normal people would regard bravery as standing up to a mugger, or risking your life for a stranger.. But Trump leads such a life of privilege and comfort that maybe something as mundane as being outside, roughing it in a tent might count as bravery in his eyes... Does this really need to be explained?
 
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Am not sure Russia has enough troops to maintain a puppet Government in Ukraine.

They might win this war but if Ukrainians see this as a Russian puppet then I think. there will be a lot of resistance that the Russians just don't have the man power to contain.
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Russians sent some good equipment but much of their tank force is non functional and/or old. They also sent mostly 19 year old cannon fodder guys.

As for the typical Russian approach to equipment it's like this. Each company has an inspection of their equipment but because of shortages spare parts are scavenged from other vehicles and used for the purpose of inspection to show that the equipment works. Then the parts are rotated to other vehicles to make those vehicles pass inspections, on a different day.
 
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Polymathic said:
Apparently they are stopping Indians because India abstained at the UN vote.
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I don't know where you have got that, but India themselves have arranged with Ukraine to have their people evacuated. I don’t have the article at this time, but Indians are directed to go through the Ukrainian-Romanian border to Romania and will then be transported back home at India’s own expense.

EDIT: Just checked their own socials, they are busy working with Hungary and Moldova to accept their people into their countries to be evacuated by India.
 
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Really...? It's a commentary on the sort of challenges his daily life entails..

He is a rich, entitled Millionaire, he seldom if ever gets challenged about anything.. Normal people would regard bravery as standing up to a mugger, or risking your life for a stranger.. But Trump leads such a life of privilege and comfort that maybe something as mundane as being outside, roughing it in a tent might count as bravery in his eyes... Does this really need to be explained?
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You've just described Biden, and a sizable portion of Congress.
 
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supersunbird said:
Russian advance will be brought to a standstill and they will be pushed back a bit and then it will stabilize after talks. Russian sanctions will continue until they give up what was taken. Ukraine will definitely become a NATO member and Sweden and Finland maybe too,

Russia should just let those they "want to protect" come live in Russia.
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There it is. The entire solution. Let the rebels live in Russia. The border is right there if they hate the Ukraine so much.
But no...
Arm and supply them for 8 years, push as hard as possible for the West to throw the first punch so that Russia can point fingers, unsuccessfully, try to push for a diplomatic solution where Russia gains a trojan horse in Ukraine politics, give up trying, and then bus out ethnic Russians on the eve of the Invasion. That's how the Russians do.
 
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