US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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The Trutherizer

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Well the track record of western MSM the last few years isn't that good either. :rolleyes: .. now that i come to think about it a few seconds longer , lets make it a few decades.
There are always, always enough well respected (earned respect) publications in the West to be able to filter fact from fiction.
Publications which can suffer real consequences if they are found to spread lies. Regardless of the topic they report on. Be it science or politics.

All Russia has is state sponsored news and a history of autocracy.
All China has is state sponsored news and a history of autocracy.

It's actually quite ironic the way the East has managed to convince some idiots that state sponsored news in countries that are openly hostile to their very way of life and every freedom they enjoy, might be more credible than the, I quote, "deep state sponsored MSM".
 

rambo919

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And you have all the western leaders on speed dial for fact based information.:rolleyes:
Everyone is so emotional about this.... as if all the raging actually does anything constructive.

That's the internet for you.... hot air and vomiting.
 

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They don’t show the front or back of the tank.
Russian tanks have them on the sides or on the turrets, APCs and other vehicles with flat backs might have them on the back instead, but not the tanks.
 

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@Moosedrool is trying to say is he agrees with what he says. But then doesn’t because it’s Putin saying it. Very logical if you think about..

:rolleyes: I said I agree with some of what he says but there's no reason to start a war over where people die over it.

Is it that difficult?
 

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It took Russia attacking Ukraine for Germany to make them realise that they had paid their debt since World War 2, and that strength was now needed. Germany's military has not been this active since 1945.

Everything is different now. There is no way Putin walks away from this alive or a hero.
 

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And you have all the western leaders on speed dial for fact based information.:rolleyes:
I know as far as what is being reported. People are welcome to select their own source of news for better accommodating their own views and beliefs. By principle I don't trust anyone on the face of it, but you can't ignore the destruction of civilian, and public, property and the deaths which resulted thereof. Just to say it bluntly, the casualties are a product of war, a war which is not justified.

Here is a fact for you, I don't need a alt account to stand up for myself.
 

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It took Russia attacking Ukraine for Germany to make them realise that they had paid their debt since World War 2, and that strength was now needed. Germany's military has not been this active since 1945.

Everything is different now. There is no way Putin walks away from this alive or a hero.
Which setting is Germany activating seen as though they only have two?

1. Invade a neighbour
2. Lose
 

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The Carl Niehaus Nkandla battle group will be deployed
Too late. Russia already attacked due to our lack of support.

Russian invasion of South Africa grinds to a halt!

After 3 days of chaos in the Port Elizabeth Harbour, where a crane collapsed onto the main Russian navy cargo ship, owing to rust and a "surprising" lack of maintenance resulting in the inability to offload tonnes of ammunition and other equipment.

The Russians finally assembled a convoy of 480 vehicles to push inland towards Gauteng. The convoy proceeded as far as Zwide on the Uitenhage road where they decided to camp for the night after three quarters of the personnel were struck down with acute dysentery like symptoms attributed to the local drinking water.

Despite a double perimeter and roving patrols the Russians woke to find 64 main battle tanks, on bricks, missing there tracks. Similarly 123 APC's and trucks, also on bricks, missing there wheels. To add insult to injury, most of their fuel and rations were missing.

Reports of like incidents are emanating from other regions.

A Russian spokesperson, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they grossly under estimated the ability of the local special forces!
 

rambo919

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I know as far as what is being reported. People are welcome to select their own source of news for better accommodating their own views and beliefs. By principle I don't trust anyone on the face of it, but you can't ignore the destruction of civilian, and public, property and the deaths which resulted thereof. Just to say it bluntly, the casualties are a product of war, a war which is not justified.

Here is a fact for you, I don't need a alt account to stand up for myself.
So 8 years of racial violence and killing justifies nothing?
 

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Russian tanks have them on the sides or on the turrets, APCs and other vehicles with flat backs might have them on the back instead, but not the tank
Still need to be standing next to it to see which I am not, but you might be...

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It took Russia attacking Ukraine for Germany to make them realise that they had paid their debt since World War 2, and that strength was now needed. Germany's military has not been this active since 1945.

Everything is different now. There is no way Putin walks away from this alive or a hero.
The germans are weaker than usual due to their shitty policy of not arming themselves, like most of Europe.

They have been reliant on the USA but the USA cannot help if China starts making moves. They will be thinly stretched which would require some balls from the Europeans to start looking after themselves.
 
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