US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[IndigoIdentity]

One special operational detachment who have been engaged in Donbass. I have previously elaborated in this thread that Azov members have established a political party, now known as the National Corps, how many seats does the National Corps have in parliament, wait, since you mentioned others, how many seats do the "Far-Right" or "Nationalist" associated groups have in Ukrainian parliament? The last time I checked, their support was dwindling, but I would like you to answer my question, because Putin seems to be in the mind that these Nationalist people are holding the Kiev and Kharkiv populace hostage as human shields, hence it enshrines him the right to siege and bombard the cities amongst other locations.

Now, to continue, does Donbass, the two disputed territories therein include Zhytompyr, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Sumy, and Kharkiv, well to keep it simple does it include the Northern (central) and North Eastern Ukraine? Not to mention that the Azov Battalion is based in neither region, but in Eastern Ukraine, Donstsk Oblast (Donbass).

It is known that there is pro-Russian support in Southern and Eastern Ukraine, though we cannot test this animosity or public sentiment towards Ukraine and how it developed or regressed over eight years time. So, Ihor Kolomoyskyi, why is he important, again, does he still govern a Ukrainian province?

The only terrorists here, going by their own views, are the Russians. Their peacekeeping mandate to the two disputed regions was a precursor to invade Ukrainian sovereignty, and all pro-Putins chose to ignore this.

The Ukrainian government allowed this to happen for many years though, Minsk II would have solved all of this long ago and it could have been implemented if it were not for the Ukrainian governments stance on the matter which left the people of the Donbass region with no guarantee that if they stopped fighting that they would be allowed to hold a referendum and ultimately become autonomous.

Your entire conjecture only works if you disregard that there are more than two sides in this issue, if you disregard that Euromaidan was instigated through foreign intervention, if you disregard that the current Ukrainian government is illegitimate, if you disregard that Russia has legitimate security concerns that were never addressed which, if you disregard that is faces the threat of a hostile military alliance that is hell bent on seeing it's demise.

But yeah, if that works for you then no worries, it's not a problem unless it's Russian.

 

[Gramps66]

Yes, it's a bit like Trudeau being called a tyrant for wanting to disperse a border blocking protest, while some other leader who invades other countries, imprisons and assassinates opponents, is an emperor for life and threatens nuclear war, is somehow a hero to some here.

Definite insanity.

Are you refering to the US. Does Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring any bells as well as Guantanamo Bay.

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[netstrider]

Think about it a bit harder...

Yeah. West good. East bad.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Zelenskiy backing hits 90% among Ukrainians in poll since invasion – as it happened

Vladimir Putin said move came after aggressive statements by Nato countries; Ukrainian president says meeting comes with no preconditions

www.theguardian.com

Satellite images are showing a large convoy of Russian troops headed toward Kyiv.

A 3.25-mile long deployment of Russian forces in a convoy with fuel, logistics and armoured vehicles, appears to be moving in the direction of Kyiv approximately 40 miles to the south.

Russian ground forces head toward Kyiv. Photograph: Maxar Technologies Handout/EPA

This satellite image image provided by Maxar Technologies shows the near southern end of a large deployment of Russian ground forces north-east of Ivankiv, Ukraine. Photograph: AP

 

[vigras rojara]

Are you refering to the US. Does Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring any bells as well as Guantanamo Bay.

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I don't like them much either, in fact I hate their duplicity and **** stirring foreign policy.

Doesn't make my comparison of certain people's reactions to the actions of certain world leaders less valid though.

 

[netstrider]

Yep, US. The guys that want all other countries to rid themselves of nuclear weapons while they hoard it all.

In the meantime, they are the only country to have used it on anyone.

Let us trust them.

Bah!

 

[The Trutherizer]

Yeah. West good. East bad.

Clear as day. Although as somebody here pointed out to me to be clearer. The East is not all bad. But Putin and his cabal - They threw the baby out with the bath water here.

 

[netstrider]

Clear as day. Although as somebody here pointed out to me to be clearer. The East is not all bad. But Putin and his cabal - They threw the baby out with the bath water here.

Nobody is good. That is the point from my side.

 

[roadcat]

Yeah. West good. East bad.

That’s not thought, that’s emotion

 

[The Trutherizer]

Nobody is good. That is the point from my side.

Well tough. Russia done f'd up. Now they have to live with it.

 

[netstrider]

That’s not thought, that’s emotion

Exactly.

The Europeans need to look after themselves, however they feel about things.

 

[Gramps66]

I don't like them much either, in fact I hate their duplicity and **** stirring foreign policy.

Doesn't make my comparison of certain people's reactions to the actions of certain world leaders less valid though.

Agree , but we all know to which side the balance of the scale leans when it comes MSM and world politics.

 

[netstrider]

Well tough. Russia done f'd up. Now they have to live with it.

Nkt sure you understand the landscape. It is a loss for us all whether Russia or the "west" win.

There really is no win.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Nkt sure you understand the landscape. It is a loss for us all whether Russia or the "west" win.

There really is no win.

And yet Russia chose to invade. Chose. To let everybody lose.
That's why I think Putin is dumb as dog s***.

 

[netstrider]

Yep, US. The guys that want all other countries to rid themselves of nuclear weapons while they hoard it all.

In the meantime, they are the only country to have used it on anyone.

Let us trust them.

Bah!

Still no response to this.

Who is really the evil?

 

[netstrider]

And yet Russia chose to invade. Chose. To let everybody lose.

The US chose to invade Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam.

Just a few from recent history. They have no business with lands far away but that is deemed okay?

 

[Fulcrum29]

The Ukrainian government allowed this to happen for many years though, Minsk II would have solved all of this long ago and it could have been implemented if it were not for the Ukrainian governments stance on the matter which left the people of the Donbass region with no guarantee that if they stopped fighting that they would be allowed to hold a referendum and ultimately become autonomous.

Another 'what if' scenario. You assume that the implementation of Minsk II would have prevented an invasion of Ukrainian sovereignty by Russia, without particularly addressing what problems it would have solved. If Russia were intent on their self-announced peacekeeping mandate, they wouldn't have invaded the sovereignty of Ukraine which a load of here firmly believe is in the self-defence of Ukraine because your poster on the wall, Putin told you so.

Your entire conjecture only works if you disregard that there are more than two sides in this issue,

Okay,

if you disregard that Euromaidan was instigated through foreign intervention,

who are these foreign parties, or as the ANC would say, third-forces?

if you disregard that the current Ukrainian government is illegitimate,

I thought Volodymyr Zelenskyy was legitimately elected in 2019, are you saying he is illegitimately elected?

if you disregard that Russia has legitimate security concerns that were never addressed which, if you disregard that is faces the threat of a hostile military alliance that is hell bent on seeing it's demise.

Wait, what, who is being invaded here? From where I am watching, Russia is hell-bent on Ukraine's demise.

But yeah, if that works for you then no worries, it's not a problem unless it's Russian.

It doesn't, the Ukraine people's very lives are being threatened by an invader who is Russia. People aren't losing their lives in the name of Russia's self-defence.

 

[Fulcrum29]

UN Security Council votes to send Ukraine issue to General Assembly

The two sides agree to meet at the Belarus border Monday, Ukrainian President Zelensky's office says, as Russian President Putin put nuclear forces on alert. Follow here for live news updates from the ground in Ukraine.

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UN Security Council votes to send Ukraine issue to General Assembly​

The UN Security Council just voted to send the Ukraine issue to the UN General Assembly for a Special Emergency Session due to a permanent member deadlock in the council.

Russia vetoed a US resolution to condemn Moscow for the invasion of Ukraine.

“We ask Russia to tone down its rhetoric,” US Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield said, regarding an announcement of forces being put on nuclear alert.

The vote was procedural, thus not being threatened by another veto.

 

[Mirai]

You asked for nazis, i gave nazis.
Sometimes you gotta invade a country which is harboring bad elements.
Ala afghanistan/pakistan/iraq/anywhere the USA/coalition forces has been in the last 80-90 years.

Afghanistan harboured Al Qaeda which attacked the US. Taliban could have handed them over and avoided war.
Iraq attacked Kuwait.
Pakistan was not invaded. They just killed whatshisname.

Russia invaded Afghanistan and led to the death of 500,000 to 2,000.000 people.
Russia attacked separatist Chechnya and killed many people there.
Russia invaded Georgia.
Russia now invaded Ukraine and previously sponsored terrorists in separatist areas. Those people shot down a Dutch airliner and killed innocent civilians.

 

[Mirai]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497971474543562752

Russian ship wants to refuel in Georgia. They say, let's not talk politics. They get told to f-off by the Georgian harbour master.