US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Cray]

Whilst I agree, the difference in my post before is that there have indeed been neo-Nazi affiliated groups fighting against Russian people within the war of Donbass. Even the UN had declared their actions as war crimes. They didn't disappear, they have been involved in the border conflict all along.

Source?

 

[konfab]

I agreed that Ukraine has a neo-nazis, it's quite a stretch to go from that to Isis or Al-Qaeda like terrorism.

And yes, I think the problem is worth focusing on, just not sure it's useful to focus on it in the middle of a war where all Ukrainians are getting attacked.

Forget about Nazis. Just look at something like language policy.

The law also applies to books. Publishing houses have to print at least 50% of their books in Ukrainian, while bookstores have to ensure that at least half their inventory is in Ukrainian.

All educational institutions have to be Ukrainian-speaking. Schools can have classes taught in ethnic minority languages and universities can have some subjects in English or one of the official languages of the EU.

Private businesses have to provide their services to clients in Ukrainian.


https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/court-declares-ukrainian-language-law-constitutional.html

The eastern parts of Ukraine are Russian. So what effect do you think a law like this would have? It is the type of trouble that is 100% avoidable.

 

[My_King]

ha ha, but seriously, I'm just wondering the age of you "MUST" go to the army

I submit my years on MyBB as evidence of being mentally ill

 

[Emjay]

I agreed that Ukraine has a neo-nazis, it's quite a stretch to go from that to Isis or Al-Qaeda like terrorism.

And yes, I think the problem is worth focusing on, just not sure it's useful to focus on it in the middle of a war where all Ukrainians are getting attacked.

It's not like it has not happened before.

But I see. We are ok with Nazis (even going so far as changing the definition of it) when they are "on the same side", and even downplaying their hateful ideology or actions.

 

[Cray]

Forget about Nazis. Just look at something like language policy.



The eastern parts of Ukraine are Russian. So what effect do you think a law like this would have? It is the type of trouble that is 100% avoidable.

Eish, yeah that seems like a very short-sighted policy.

 

[yebocan]

It's not like it has not happened before.

But I see. We are ok with Nazis (even going so far as changing the definition of it) when they are "on the same side".

when your country is being invaded, you kind of put aside internal issues/social stratification -- you just defend your country sovereignty --all hands on deck...total unity. The usual social discourse and friction can resume once you have rid your country of the invader.

 

[Cray]

It's not like it has not happened before.

But I see. We are ok with Nazis (even going so far as changing the definition of it) when they are "on the same side".

Do you think Neo Nazis deserve protection from Russian soldiers? If it turned out that a Russian regiment had executed a group of Neo-Nazis without trial or proof of criminality would you be okay with that? As much as I dislike the ideology, being a Neo-Nazi isn't a crime in itself.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498192920083640324

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Source?

Read through these reports, it's really hard... But it might give you a better understanding of the conflict overall.

www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_13th_HRMMU_Report_3March2016.pdf
www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/Ukraine_14th_HRMMU_Report.pdf

 

[Emjay]

when your country is being invaded, you kind of put aside internal issues/social stratification -- you just defend your country sovereignty --all hands on deck...total unity. The usual social discourse and friction can resume once you have rid your country of the invader.

*sigh*

Look, I know this thread is long, but there is content early on in this thread that unpacks this to a degree. But the USA have been cavorting with these extremists for a long time.

 

[Mystic Twilight]

Civilians are not soldiers, nor are they afforded the power to punish people on nationality alone.

A video doing the rounds of a refueling station refusing to refuel a russian ship - when the ship is a cargo ship and has nothing to do with the war that is currently happening. The result is that innocent people will be stranded at sea with limited supplies for what a dictator decided. The cargo ship was already underway before the war even started

That's how sanctions applied on a national level work, you punish everyone with "collective responsibility" and try to coerce them to force the leaders (through protests, assassination, regime change, whatever) to change.

 

[GreatWmR]

Seems they are putting their talents to good use

 

[tetrasect]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497995242863308809

Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between Sweden and Switzerland...

 

[wbot]

It's funny that every time something big happens, they say Nostradamus predicted it. So some of the **** he "predicted" for 2022 that have been linked to this:

The death or disappearance of some leader. Some think it's the queen but others say it's either Putin or Zelenskyy:

"The sudden death of the first character, he will be changed and they will put another in his kingdom."

He also wrote of a meteor strike that some say is now a nuclear bomb:

“Fire do I see that from the sky shall fall”

"Like the sun, the head will seal the shining sea. The live fish of the Black Sea will almost boil."

He also "predicted" the end of the EU this year and war in Europe but according to his fans he predicted everything that has ever happened lol.

His poems are so vague it could be linked to almost anything, anywhere and any time

 

[Emjay]

I wonder sometimes why people don't seem to understand how reactive statements like this actually prove the points they seem to think they are refuting.....

These people are so small and petty they are bringing Trump into a discussion that literally has nothing to do with him. They put people in the same boxes and then make the dumbest assumptions about every statement. Then they get mad when the same logic gets applied to them. I really think there are very few adults left in the room.

 

[PrimeSteak]

You make dumb sweeping statements and then get surprised when the same logic is applied to you?

Sure, whatever floats your boat, m8 /s

There has been proof of Nazism posted in this thread.

Show me, please. Then we can chat about it.

The Left:

You are a Nazi. You are a Nazi. You are a Nazi. Everyone is a Nazi.
*Nazis become victims of actual communist dictator.*
WTF. That's not Nazism. Stop supporting Putin!

There it is. The "owning the libs" meme. Lmao. This isn't about "tHe LeFt", this is everyone else who doesn't agree with Putin's bullshit reasoning of "saving Ukraine from the neo-Nazis". I find it hilarious how many people are coming to Putin's defence like this.

Also, before you start screaming at me with the "bUt USAAAA!!!", I also don't agree with how they've done things in the past btw.

 

[Cray]

It's funny that every time something big happens, they say Nostradamus predicted it. So some of the **** he "predicted" for 2022 that have been linked to this:

The death or disappearance of some leader. Some think it's the queen but others say it's either Putin or Zelenskyy:

"The sudden death of the first character, he will be changed and they will put another in his kingdom."

He also wrote of a meteor strike that some say is now a nuclear bomb:

“Fire do I see that from the sky shall fall”

"Like the sun, the head will seal the shining sea. The live fish of the Black Sea will almost boil."

He also "predicted" the end of the EU this year and war in Europe but according to his fans he predicted everything that has ever happened lol.

His poems are so vague it could be linked to almost anything, anywhere and any time

I remember watching a movie about him at school- The Man who saw tomorrow narrated by Orson Welles, it all sounded so impressive, that he has predicted all these wars but as you said, a bit of critical thinking shows that they are all so vague, and none of these predictions called beforehand, always in retrospect.

 

[Charlesjjm]

So? Does this mean it is a fundamentalist religion where everyone is bound by it's origins with Hitler being it's chief god?

Why because the Germans believed that Jews were their enemy specifically and because the Germans were nordics.... does this compel all Nazi's to also believe this?

Why can other races not also be Nazi's but hate their own particular "enemy races"?

To use a simple example:

Champagne:
Champagne (/ʃæmˈpeɪn/, French: [ʃɑ̃paɲ]) is a sparkling wine originated and produced in the Champagne wine region of France under the rules of the appellation,[1] that demand specific vineyard practices, sourcing of grapes exclusively from designated places within it, specific grape-pressing methods and secondary fermentation of the wine in the bottle to cause carbonation.[2]

For everyone else it's called sparkling wine.

 

[Wut]

Wat? When was the last time you read a headline about a Ukrainian slav suicide bomber?

Eastern Ukraine has been under bombardment from the Ukrainian government since 2014. This vid is from 2018 and notice how they often mention how the Ukrainian government has betrayed them in it. Click on the vid as it contains sensitive content.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1445732048887907

Valley of Angels memorial to the children killed with their ages:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1422120741642850313

 

[rambo919]

These people are so small and petty they are bringing Trump into a discussion that literally has nothing to do with him. They put people in the same boxes and then make the dumbest assumptions about every statement. Then they get mad when the same logic gets applied to them. I really think there are very few adults left in the room.

They also seem to be brainwashed and running off of external scripts. The same people seem to in general be:
Afraid c19 is coming to get them
Afraid global warming is coming to get them
Afraid God (especially that far right wing radical monster Jesus) is coming to get them
Afraid whites are coming to get them
Afraid traditionalists are coming to get them
Afraid afraid afraid afraid afraid

Now they seem afraid Putin is coming to get them, the same people seem to be on the same predictable script set every time something big happens.

The collective is everything, the collective is right, the collective is holy..... everyone outside the collective is the enemy.