US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Emjay

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So it looks like even China is not siding with Russia , but South Africa might do so firmly.

South Africa has condemned this a few times and have been warned by the Russians to stay out of it. Where do you get this opinion from?

The US has seen itself as being opposed to Russia (with US politicians outright saying the help the Ukrainians fight the Russians "there" so they don't have to fight the Russians themselves). I don't think the US (or Russia) ever really left the cold war mindset.
 

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The mood shifts may be because I am communicating with multiple people, so i may be nice and learning from one, and irritated and resistant to another. I am flawed myself.
No, your mood shifts when dealing with the same person and the same topic. I severely distrust you in general because of your lack of consistency.

It's also disarming when you think you are having a civil talk, and suddenly someone turns very mean/sarcastic, perhaps due to us not being able to read tone properly or because they were irritated by something else I had written.
Sarcasm is only mean when you are using it to attack the person you are speaking with, not when you are attacking his argument.

You don't get to compartmentalize your interaction with people in this way on a topic by topic basis. You either respect the same person the same way across all topics or you are playing games not not respecting anyone.

If I do not reply to every comment, it is possible that I missed it or it was one of those posts I couldn't reply to nicely so I left it.

I also disagree with you on a great deal, like, a lot - it doesn't mean that I think you are a bad person or that i want to disrespect you, I can only say that i cannot find any justification for some things you say. I am sure it is the same for you with my own topics.
You don't want to accept my justification which has often been given in extreme detail because it clashes with your stated desires. You don't want to look at anything through anyone else's pov so your defense is you simply zone out?
 

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South Africa has condemned this a few times and have been warned by the Russians to stay out of it. Where do you get this opinion from?

The US has seen itself as being opposed to Russia (with US politicians outright saying the help the Ukrainians fight the Russians "there" so they don't have to fight the Russians themselves). I don't think the US (or Russia) ever really left the cold war mindset.
From few pages back, someone quoted Ramaphosa...some statement made yesterday.

But that is irrelevant , my question is hypothetical.
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I am under correction since I avoided most news this morning, but I believe the meeting will be held within Belarus, and that it was announced that the Ukrainian delegation will be under Belarusian protection.
We all know the outcome. Ukraine is going to give Russia the finger just as they did over the past few months leading up to the military operation.

Time wasted.
 

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no unpacking required... - it is so nice to mount and sit on our moral high horse...looking at the whether to's and why nots .... far removed from your society being ripped apart... when **** fits the fan, of your government's making or ineptitude --that becomes academic, - you take up arms and defend, as a country...even the unsavory facets of your society..is part of your society...- the normal societal ebbing and flowing, discourse crap can resume once you have rid your country of the invader... Like mentioned before...- I see the whole Vlad overreach as such : his justification does not warrant the destruction that is going on....it is akin to CT being bombed by Botswana, because they are not happy how two Tswana villages are being treated in Limpopo....it is just a pretext, to feed his echo chamber society back home. Why not just annex the Dombas region..slap up a demilitarized zone...construct a solid border. No , he wants to go full retard...drag us back to time, that he find more comfortable for himself...

If Nazism is not as pervasive as you say it is in the Ukraine @Cray, why is it ok to train, support and arm far right extremists?
 

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No, your mood shifts when dealing with the same person and the same topic. I severely distrust you in general because of your lack of consistency.


Sarcasm is only mean when you are using it to attack the person you are speaking with, not when you are attacking his argument.

You don't get to compartmentalize your interaction with people in this way on a topic by topic basis. You either respect the same person the same way across all topics or you are playing games not not respecting anyone.


You don't want to accept my justification which has often been given in extreme detail because it clashes with your stated desires. You don't want to look at anything through anyone else's pov so your defense is you simply zone out?
As I said, I can make mistakes but do not mean to make the majority of people uncomfortable, it may be a side effect of me just being a dumbass. If someone has a nice tone with me, I generally try to have an ice tone back, however I do make a habit of responding to negative posts with my own negativity.

How can you distinguish between the person and an argument? If the person believes something, is that not an attack on them?

As you might have experienced, you can only be nice so long before yu change your approach. Both Emjay and i tried being nice for a bit(to other forumites), but it is misconstrued for weakness sometimes, maybe more so for me because I am interpreted as to being a wishy washy liberal.

You do go into detail which is fair, but you have your own pov and I have mine, neither of us needs to change the others view, we just need to understand one another. If I cannot add anything, I do no zone out, I walk away and leave it on a positive note.
 
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