US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[rvZA]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

 

[Tun@]

You forget, they were designed for long distance so there are factors and tolerances in play as well as probably arming delays etc.

In reality efficacy against ballistic missiles is so low, it does not really matter.

The only deterrence is through Mutually Assured Destruction.

Russians primary strategy to retain second strike (retaliatory) capabilities is through road mobile ICBM launchers and their SSBN's.

The US maintain this through their SSBN's.

As long as each side can ensure they will have enough nukes to strike back with, they can apply to the MAD doctrine.

The reason the Russians wanted to base missiles in Cuba, was to even out the numbers with the USA. In 1963 the Americans had far more nukes than the Russians. Plus a bigger advantage in better technology.

In today's sphere, the need to have bases so close is negated by SSBN technology.

So lets take nukes out of the discussion, wind the clock forward & Putin didn't do what he's done now & Nato sets itself up in Ukraine.........the US rolls with one of their pro western regime change games in Belarus.
How's Uncle Vlad's border looking now with the Nato's Article 5 staring him in the face on his front door.
One little false flag & game over for Russia against the world.

I think he's doing what he's doing to rule that Ukraine/Nato position right out of the options book myself.
BUT only because of democratic failure of anyone to to bother making any effort otherwise.

 

[2023]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

We're using the Airport free wifi while waiting for our flights to Ukraine, but it seems we might have to wait a while though...

 

[Cray]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

8658 posts since Jan 2021, one could ask the same thing of you....?

 

[daveza]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

We all live in the basement and our mums bring us food and water.

 

[Blu82]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498295465070243840

 

[The_Mowgs]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

What time is your flight?

 

[The_Mowgs]

We all live in the basement and our mums bring us food and water.

And a handy once a week

 

[Kosmik]

So lets take nukes out of the discussion, wind the clock forward & Putin didn't do what he's done now & Nato sets itself up in Ukraine.........the US rolls with one of their pro western regime change games in Belarus.
How's Uncle Vlad's border looking now with the Nato's Article 5 staring him in the face on his front door.
One little false flag & game over for Russia against the world.

I think he's doing what he's doing to rule that Ukraine/Nato position right out of the options book myself.
BUT only because of democratic failure of anyone to to bother making any effort otherwise.

Not sure what you are getting at, we are talking about the purpose of moving a ICBM closer and the fact that it practically serves none. My comment was that if I wanted to actually give that impression, I'd move a fake/prop one but it would be purely for propaganda purposes. TBH, it serves Russia nothing by either moving or saying they've moved one into the region, tempted to say this is a propaganda piece against them because of that.

 

[saturnz]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

says the guy who has 8000 posts within a year

 

[Nicodeamus]

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless​

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

In the weeks leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, those warning of the possible dangers of U.S. involvement were assured that such concerns were baseless. The prevailing line insisted that nobody in Washington is even considering let alone advocating that the U.S. become militarily involved in a conflict with Russia. That the concern was based not on the belief that the U.S. would actively seek such a war, but rather on the oft-unintended consequences of being swamped with war propaganda and the high levels of tribalism, jingoism and emotionalism that accompany it, was ignored. It did not matter how many wars one could point to in history that began unintentionally, with unchecked, dangerous tensions spiraling out of control. Anyone warning of this obviously dangerous possibility was met with the “straw man” cliché: you are arguing against a position that literally nobody in D.C. is defending.

Less than a week into this war, that can no longer be said. One of the media's most beloved members of Congress, Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), on Friday explicitly and emphatically urged that the U.S. military be deployed to Ukraine to establish a “no-fly zone” — i.e., American soldiers would order Russia not to enter Ukrainian airspace and would directly attack any Russian jets or other military units which disobeyed. That would, by definition and design, immediately ensure that the two countries with by far the planet's largest nuclear stockpiles would be fighting one another, all over Ukraine.

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

greenwald.substack.com

excellent article by Glen Greenwald on how tribal and militaristic the support for ukraine just became, its part of the propaganda.

 

[Cray]

Not sure what you are getting at, we are talking about the purpose of moving a ICBM closer and the fact that it practically serves none. My comment was that if I wanted to actually give that impression, I'd move a fake/prop one but it would be purely for propaganda purposes. TBH, it serves Russia nothing by either moving or saying they've moved one into the region, tempted to say this is a propaganda piece against them because of that.

Definitely propaganda in my view, the whole point of a mobile ICBM is to be able to discretely move it around so it cannot be targeted by airstrikes.

 

[surface]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

Do you do Maths bro?

vs

 

[Dave]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

You haven't heard of smartphones and tablets?

 

[Emjay]

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

greenwald.substack.com

excellent article by Glen Greenwald on how tribal and militaristic the support for ukraine just became, its part of the propaganda.

Yup, saw it happen in this thread with my own eyes.

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.​

 

[Blu82]

Interesting analysis.

“This isn’t the small, handpicked Syria task force that was lavished with support and made relatively few mistakes,” said Dara Massicot, an expert on the Russian military at the Rand Corporation, referring to Russia’s attack on Ukraine. “A force of this size is too large to hide readiness and personnel problems within the Russian military.”

Source

 

[The Trutherizer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498206861249634305

Circle being completed. North Korea supporting Russia's actions.

Didn't see that coming...

 

[daveza]

Didn't see that coming...

Everyone is applying sanctions, why is he only mentioning the USA ?

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

War Propaganda About Ukraine Becoming More Militaristic, Authoritarian, and Reckless

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.

greenwald.substack.com

excellent article by Glen Greenwald on how tribal and militaristic the support for ukraine just became, its part of the propaganda.

All Russian wealthy citizens are having their assets taken or frozen.
Countries like Latvia allowing their citizens to fight in Ukraine.
Markets boycotting Russian companies and products.

If this happened when the US attacked Iraq you would be supporting “terrorism”.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

I have a quick question. I see many users posting constantly, almost day and night. Are you guys even employed? Do you access the Internet on grant money? Why don't you use your time better and go help either Russia or Ukraine?

I have a quick answer - firstly, it has nothing to do with you, but if you really must know, I am not in SA, I am in the US working for a US military contractor - the country everyone loves to hate - but its one of the countries that is assisting the Ukraine. The time difference means I am awake when you are asleep.

As the Ukraine is the topic under discussion - not me - I shall be adding you to my ignore list, so you may respond if you wish, but I shall not be seeing it.