US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Mirai said:
I have posted something you didn't know. Thank me for some actual original insight you won't readily find in Twitter posts.

I really don't care what you think. I don't care what South Africans think. It's not my concern. You care what these anons think of you. You seem to have some fellowship or community here. Like those Lord of the Rings Amazon videos with that fellowship.

Just stating that you're posting nonsense. Oh we can't trust anything... no sh-t. Thank you for giving us these nuggets of basic common sense. You should write a book or make a YT channel.
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Bro, why are you posting here if you don't give a crap what anyone thinks.

You actively visit a South African site, register an account, post over 2200 messages, and then write stuff like the above.

Why?

We're all here to see what is happening, cause media outlets aren't nearly as entertaining.
 
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Wrath of Khan said:
I don't fully understand Russia's tactics here, they are focused on taking their cities when in my mind, they should have quickly sealed off Ukraine's western border so no supplies can come in from the western countries. Bypass all their cities and in a pincer move seal it off... they are wasting their time attacking cities = heavy casualties on both sides.
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Well one concern would be Nato on those borders and a stray shot going that way. There's already been some failed ordinance around so not a long shot for it to be high risk.

But also, which cities have been hit hardest? Kiev is the capital but short of the bombardment it gotten off lighter. There was a rush to secure Chernobyl and with earlier footage of drones being taken out, I reckon there's a lot more high level hardware entrenched there now.

The city being hit hardest is the second one, which is in the east and part of a line if one drops down from Russia to Crimea and it would make sense to hold at least one largish city as a staging area. That it's the second largest also puts into focus what would be required to retake it and it would be a easier nut to crack than the capital as well as much shorter supply lines.

Again, my 2c.
 
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Sinbad said:
You're not wrong.
I did enjoy this moment
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Try to invade Russia in the winter? Mate that is some first rate crap this tool is spewing.

This is some YouTube comment level intelligence on display...
 
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Kosmik said:
Well one concern would be Nato on those borders and a stray shot going that way. There's already been some failed ordinance around so not a long shot for it to be high risk.

But also, which cities have been hit hardest? Kiev is the capital but short of the bombardment it gotten off lighter. There was a rush to secure Chernobyl and with earlier footage of drones being taken out, I reckon there's a lot more high level hardware entrenched there now.

The city being hit hardest is the second one, which is in the east and part of a line if one drops down from Russia to Crimea and it would make sense to hold at least one largish city as a staging area. That it's the second largest also puts into focus what would be required to retake it and it would be a easier nut to crack than the capital as well as much shorter supply lines.

Again, my 2c.
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Russia took Crimea very easily. The plan here was most likely encircle Kiev and the other city. Go to peace talks and win.

It's sill very early, so if it worked or not depends on what actual losses they suffered.
 
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Let's not forget that the US foreign policy and therefore NATO policy is for sale thanks to the US system of lobbying.

Ukraine was never going to be able to join NATO or the EU and everybody knew that. Yet the US and NATO strung the Ukrainian government along.

Now that Ukraine is at war, all NATO can do is supply weapons, costing NATO members billions for essentially no gain.

There are entities that would benefit hand over fist in this scenario though.

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yebocan said:
take a deep breath... -no need to get pissed off by some anonymous forumite -- with some rather "interesting" take on this issue. You are right, the rate and precision of some responses are indicative of cut and past talking points.... we South Africans take things in are stride... life is too short and this part of the world is too beautiful... to allow anyone to get under your skin.
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Dude, I'm cashing my RussianBot cheques right now along with my Big Pharma ones. Making bank while watching this go down from my private jet. Although my boss, Mr. Putin, is pretty angry and has been breathing down my neck as none of my posts actually support him or the Russians :crying:
 
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Blah blah blah. Anti Russia and anti China for no reason but the indoctrination you have undergone. You're a shill. No more. No less.
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I'll be a shill for the type of country I prefer to live in any day.

If that puts me in opposition to people who wish to live in a country like Putin's Russia, Lukashenko's Belarus, Rahmon's Tajikistan, Gaddafi's Libya, Mubarak's Egypt, Saddam's Iraq, Mugabe's Zimbabwe, Khamenei's Iran, Assad's Syria, Castro's Cuba, Maduro's Venezuela, Kim's North Korea, Xi's China, etc. etc. etc.

Then I'll be proud to be called a shill any day.

Let me be clear. I hate royals. Monarchies. I think it is an utterly primitive and unenlightened way to organise societies.
Dictators to me are several steps down.
Royals without the relevant skills. Just as corrupt!

Democracy is not perfect. But it guards against such abuse. Imperfectly for certain. But I'll take it!

Communism and Russia has only spurred authoritarianism on in the world. The original Bolshevik anti-imperial revolutionaries are spinning in their graves. Guaranteed. From the moment the Soviet Union developed ambitions to itself become an empire. Lenin himself claimed that he had made a mistake at the end of his life. Today Russia is a de facto dictatorship. The only ones who get a real say are ultra wealthy industrialists.

And do not for a moment believe that I don't frown upon cases where the West has supported Dictators.
However that is where my second great pet hate comes in. Whenever democracy has failed to ensure a better, more stable future, it has always been due to corrupt business activity. And particularly fossil fuels. If I ever have a single regret at the end of my life, it will be only if I do not live to see the end of the fossil fuels curse.
And you can bet your last [currency of choice] that I oppose neoliberal excess. I don't hold wealth against anybody, but the moment they mix business and politics - As Bush I and II and certainly Trump did - Dead set against.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
BS.

Honest commenters at least acknowledge that external (outside Europe and NATO vs Russia, and of course Ukraine itself) support in this struggle, and soo many others in the past, are by and large split along ideological and religious lines. Support for or against either Democracy/Capitalism vs Socialism (which really is baggage from the cold war for the most part), or Islam vs Every other Religion.

But this struggle has nothing to do with racism or any ideology. It is pure territorial conquest. A return to colonial times.

The West vs/with Russia/China history in the a nutshell:
Before WW2 Russia fomented regime change in China to spread it's Bolshevik philosophies. The West was allied with both during WW2. Helped save the Soviet Union against real Nazis. Helped China repel Imperial Japan.
Get's into a fight over the spoils of war in Germany, as well as nuclear weapons. Enter - Cold war.
During the cold war the USSR backed any government or rebel group, regardless of skin colour, who would embrace Communism. Who love them still today. The West backed any government or rebel group, regardless of skin colour, who would oppose Communism. Who love them still today.
After the cold war, set alliances and partnerships mostly persisted, with the notable exception that the West switched from an anti-Communist agenda to a pro-Democratic one, regardless of skin colour. (South Africa anybody)
After the cold war Russia mostly just kept up the exact same alliances and partnerships, regardless of skin colour, and definitely regardless of human rights or Democratic credentials. The latter mostly thanks almost exclusively to Putin.


Syria... Massive Russian military backing of authoritarian minority government. Bombs the living daylights out of the majority. Europe takes the refugees.
But no... "Evil racist west has no sympathy for dark skins."

Mentions Iran, but doesn't mention Iran backing of Houthi insurgents (geo-religious motivation) in both Yemen and Ethiopia (both also mentioned). West and allies back incumbent majorities (I suppose in the context one has to point out non-white) governments. Europe takes refugees.
Iran's religious fundamentalist commitment to wipe Israel off the map of the planet.

How about Sudan? Another religious conflict spurred on by amongst others Iran. UN provides aid relief. Europe takes refugees.

How about Mali? Government asks France to assist against Islamist insurgents. France helps. Military junta stages a coup on the grounds that the government response to insurgents is ineffective. The last fart from the previous government hasn't even dissipated from government buildings, and the Junta is already making the French presence about colonialism, exploitation and racism. So many love the rhetoric. Cheers and jeers as France leaves again as is asked of them. Europe takes refugees.
Mali junta can now write assistance from the West on their foreheads.

What about Korea? Compare the Western backed South vs The Russian and China backed North. No comparison. People in the South loving life. The North? Not so much. Yet another scenario where the Soviet Union and later Russia happily support, deals with and protect dictators.

Haiti Occupation in 1915 before NATO and even the UN. The concept "West" was a sign on a compass then. Zero ideological connotations. Essentially one could argue that the US did to Haiti back then, a century ago, exactly what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
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You just proved him right. When the people look like you, you interpret it differently.
 
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An article on the original battle of the crossroads in Kharkiv.

More photos and video, be aware some of it is a bit graphic (eg the Russians executed a person in civilian dress and there is a photo of the body)

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Exclusive: Pictures And Video From Kharkiv Battle At A Crossroads(Graphic Content)

From a source in the Kharkiv region in Eastern Ukraine, SOFREP has video and photos of the aftermath of a Russian Recon Platoon that was all but wiped out as they were trying to hold a crossroads. The Russians may have murdered a civilian while they were there.
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Pak Fa Fui said:
You just proved him right. When the people look like you, you interpret it differently.
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Iran is a far greater enemy of Africa today than even Europe, and certainly the US, ever was.

If you somehow missed that in there, then I have no pills for you sorry. Blue, red, take your pick.
 
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Norrad said:
Dude, I'm cashing my RussianBot cheques right now along with my Big Pharma ones. Making bank while watching this go down from my private jet. Although my boss, Mr. Putin, is pretty angry and has been breathing down my neck as none of my posts actually support him or the Russians :crying:
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Dude, you do you...- the mere fact that you replying ..is enough for me, that there is some truth in my observations....either way care two shits...life is way too short and way too interesting to let my attention flow into whatever , whatever is...
 
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Stephen Cohen's 2014 article on how Russia and Putin has been distorted since the US organised coup d'état.

www.thenation.com

Distorting Russia

How the American media misrepresent Putin, Sochi and Ukraine.
www.thenation.com www.thenation.com
 
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The Trutherizer said:
Iran is a far greater enemy of Africa today than even Europe, and certainly the US, ever was.

If you somehow missed that in there, then I have no pills for you sorry. Blue, red, take your pick.
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I don’t even want to know why you think the way you do.
 
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