US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Fulcrum29

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To quote the link:

Russia's Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia's explanation of vote following UNSC vote on a draft resolution calling an emergency special session of the General Assembly:

Russia voted against the proposed draft resolution, because its authors offer to concede that Security Council is not able to uphold its main responsibility for maintaining international peace and security. The draft has no slightest hint of an attempt to find a constructive solution within the Council. Two days ago, we vetoed another draft resolution for the same reason – it was lopsided and misbalanced. This time we saw no new initiatives either.

❗️ The United Nations and the Security Council were created in a post-war period so that to avoid scourge of a new war. To achieve this, the world’s powers consented to make agreements, ideally – find consensus, but in any case – never attempt imposing their decisions upon each other or try to ignore the interests of any of P5 members. That is why the Security Council envisages a right for permanent member states to veto its decisions. This is not a privilege, but a tool for ensuring the balance of interests, which the world needs so badly, and ensuring global stability through this balance. An attempt to disregard the position of Russia and ignore it contradicts the very basics of the UN Charter. What we need is not push forward such schemes, but try and find points of contact, no matter how hard our Western partners try to evade this, for example when ignoring our legitimate concerns with regard to NATO’s policy and actions of Western states who undermined basic OSCE principles about the indivisibility of security.

Now we need to focus on correcting the situation that led to this crisis that we are living through. It did not start when Russia launched a special military operation in Ukraine. It started much earlier, when you spent 8 years pretending to not notice crimes of Ukrainian nationalists in Donbass. And again, today you found no words of sympathy for the people of Donbass.

It is the houses in Donbass that were destroyed by nationalists and Ukraine’s armed forces that Western media most often brazenly present as consequences of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine.

At this meeting, we again hear lies and fakes about indiscriminate bombardments of Ukrainian cities, hospitals, and schools.

Russian military pose no threat to Ukraine’s peaceful citizens, they do not fire at peaceful facilities. What does pose a threat is Ukrainian nationalists who in fact hold the people of Ukraine as hostages, using them as a human shield. There is numerous evidence, disseminated by ordinary Ukrainians, proving that nationalists, despite people’s protests, deploy heavy equipment and multiple rocket launchers in residential quarters. This is a blatant violation of the international humanitarian law that must be duly condemned. Basically it is the same tactics as that of ISIL terrorists. All responsibility for possible consequences rests with the Maidan regime.

Another thing that threatens the people of Ukraine is uncontrolled distribution of weapons by radicals and the authorities to all those who are ready to have them, including criminals that have been released from prisons. Those guns already shoot in the hands of burglars and plunderers.

Numerous proofs of that can be easily found on social media. Those are posted by the dwellers of Kiev and other cities. This demonstrates the irresponsible approach of the Ukrainian authorities to its citizens.

Today we witness an information war on Russia in social media. Since there are no proofs that Russian military destroy civilian infrastructure, Ukrainian strikes and occasional hits are presented as such, as well as photo and video footage from Donbass that again depict crimes committed by Ukrainian nationalists. Besides, in social media one can easily find tutorials that teach how to shoot fakes that should defile our special operation. All in all, there are 1.2 million such fakes in Ukrainian social media.

They could have at least linked to these so-called tutorials to better educate those wanting to spot malicious social media.

I will help Russia here, social media is a schithole and will always be a schithole, but you can't ignore humanitarian reports and outreach. It is like Russia is in the mind that everyone other than them, and their allies, are in on it. They will most certainly deny all real intelligence reports which are substantiated.

Obviously there will be propaganda, all states and political parties, and businesses, does PR, so does ordinary people. Not all PR is deceit, you have good and bad intentions, but what is at the crux here is the political realism.

In their very own above statement, they play and spin current developments. Holier-than-thou-arseholes.
 

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Russian state controlled media and Russian shills here: "Russia has been pretty good at limiting civilian casualties"
Actually - Cluster bombs on residential areas. Just like Syria.
They are blaming the Ukrainian Nazi's for the "cluster bombs"

Direct hits on the cars with very little damage. Seems sus.
 

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Try to invade Russia in the winter? Mate that is some first rate crap this tool is spewing.

This is some YouTube comment level intelligence on display...
He's referring to a bunker and a loaded gun. Kill himself... Like Hitler. Get it?
No country or military alliance has for one single moment. Since the start of this Ukraine debacle and before. Even remotely entertained the idea, nor even expressed the wish, to invade or attack Russia.
Putin's security concerns are just so much smoke and mirrors.
 

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I'll be a shill for the type of country I prefer to live in any day.

If that puts me in opposition to people who wish to live in a country like Putin's Russia, Lukashenko's Belarus, Rahmon's Tajikistan, Gaddafi's Libya, Mubarak's Egypt, Saddam's Iraq, Mugabe's Zimbabwe, Khamenei's Iran, Assad's Syria, Castro's Cuba, Maduro's Venezuela, Kim's North Korea, Xi's China, etc. etc. etc.

Then I'll be proud to be called a shill any day.

Let me be clear. I hate royals. Monarchies. I think it is an utterly primitive and unenlightened way to organise societies.
Dictators to me are several steps down.
Royals without the relevant skills. Just as corrupt!

Democracy is not perfect. But it guards against such abuse. Imperfectly for certain. But I'll take it!

Communism and Russia has only spurred authoritarianism on in the world. The original Bolshevik anti-imperial revolutionaries are spinning in their graves. Guaranteed. From the moment the Soviet Union developed ambitions to itself become an empire. Lenin himself claimed that he had made a mistake at the end of his life. Today Russia is a de facto dictatorship. The only ones who get a real say are ultra wealthy industrialists.

And do not for a moment believe that I don't frown upon cases where the West has supported Dictators.
However that is where my second great pet hate comes in. Whenever democracy has failed to ensure a better, more stable future, it has always been due to corrupt business activity. And particularly fossil fuels. If I ever have a single regret at the end of my life, it will be only if I do not live to see the end of the fossil fuels curse.
And you can bet your last [currency of choice] that I oppose neoliberal excess. I don't hold wealth against anybody, but the moment they mix business and politics - As Bush I and II and certainly Trump did - Dead set against.
Yeah, yeah. I get it.

You're indoctrinated with so called Western progressive ideology.

It's just an ideology.

It's probably no better and no worse than many others.

But it's an ideology and you're sucking hind tit to the end.

That's the real pity.
 

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Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko seems to be hinting at something else: stationing Russian warheads on Belarusian soil.

Addressing journalists at a polling station in Minsk on Sunday, Lukashenko said he could ask his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to “return the nuclear weapons” Belarus formally gave up when his country signed up to the Budapest Memorandum.

"If America, or you France, two nuclear powers, start transferring nuclear weapons to Poland or Lithuania, on our borders... I will go to Putin so that he will return to me the nuclear weapons that I, without any special conditions, gave to them,” Lukashenko said.
 

Fulcrum29

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It seems Brazil's president isn't on the same wavelength as his UN representative. Brazil's congress must be divided on this matter....
 

The Trutherizer

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Yeah, yeah. I get it.

You're indoctrinated with so called Western progressive ideology.

It's just an ideology.

It's probably no better and no worse than many others.

But it's an ideology and you're sucking hind tit to the end.

That's the real pity.
Note the "probably". What you want my mind to fill in the details for me?

Care to elaborate on ideologies which have ensured more peace and stability for more people in the history of the world?
Even SA is free today thanks to the notion of democracy. If not for it then the apartheid government would have fought till kingdom come. Because they were perfectly capable of doing so.
That first free and fair election where EVERYBODY got to vote.
Convince me otherwise, then maybe we can talk about whether this ABSOLUTE CADENZA would have ever happened if Russia was a democratic nation.
 

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Imperialism in action. As predicted, but denied by you and the other Putin supporters.
The term 'putin supporter' is so stupid,

You can stop being a propagandist and understand the root of the conflict, start with the 2014 coup d'état that the CIA instigated to get a hostile state on Russia's borders. That is imperialism and regime change 101.

and idiotic as it provoked russia.
 

buka001

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The term 'putin supporter' is so stupid,

You can stop being a propagandist and understand the root of the conflict, start with the 2014 coup d'état that the CIA instigated to get a hostile state on Russia's borders. That is imperialism and regime change 101.

and idiotic as it provoked russia.
Only Putin supporters call it a CIA backed coup. It is literal Russian propaganda as well.

You also ignore that there was an election in 2019, to which Zelensky was elected as President.

Perhaps you don't realise how a useful Russian propagandist you are.
 

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Only Putin supporters call it a CIA backed coup. It is literal Russian propaganda as well.

You also ignore that there was an election in 2019, to which Zelensky was elected as President.

Perhaps you don't realise how a useful Russian propagandist you are.
He keeps banging the same old nonsense because it's all he has, otherwise he has to admit that there is a clear good and bad side to this war.
 

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One has to wonder if invasions are morally worse than genocide. Do any of the morality police have an opinion on this?


Someone posted a tweet questioning why it seems like when it is seemingly white lives are in danger that reactions are swift and decisive. It's not hard to understand why these narratives form.
 

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There is rumours starting to circulate that a convoy of Israelis fleeing the Ukraine was hit by something.
 
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