US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[The_MAC]

They had the meeting. No outcome, and there won't be. Russia wants Ukraine, Ukraine says no.

Can't imagine the meeting ending up with anything other than, "Nah, F you, Nah, F you..."

 

[The_MAC]

I stopped reading after you wrote "alot"

This thread is a bit like the vax or ivermectin thread..

Wouldn't mind just seeing the aggregated news, as opposed to all the braai talk.

 

[The_MAC]

And you seem to speak for Ukraine, jump on a plane mate.

You really missed the original comment there a few posts back.

Are you well? Do you have a fever?

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

U.S streaming giant Netflix has responded to the ongoing crisis in Ukraine by saying that it will not comply with new Russian rules to carry 20 state-backed channels.

Netflix was due to fall under a series of new obligations in Russia on March 1 after it was added to a register of “audiovisual services” overseen by the country’s communications regulator, Roskomnadzor, last year.

The obligations mean that Netflix would have had to stream 20 Russian federal television stations, including the likes of Channel One, NTV and a channel run by the Russian Orthodox Church, Spas. Channel One in particular has close links to the Kremlin.

Netflix refuses to comply with new Russian rules

U.S streaming giant Netflix has responded to the ongoing crisis in Ukraine by saying that it will not comply with new Russian rules to carry 20 state-backed channels. Netflix was due to fall under …

www.politico.eu

Ironsky Man and Kaptain Russia - not going to happen

 

[IndigoIdentity]

You really missed the original comment there a few posts back.

Are you well? Do you have a fever?

Not really, I was asking a serious question. If he had bothered to read the article that I had commented on before injecting his bizarre notion of what it means to be in a conflict:

""The next meeting will be held within days,""

You have clearly missed the original comment too.

 

[PrimeSteak]

Must be green screened

At least he's still alive tho

Also, very nice green screen right there, lol

 

[PrimeSteak]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498439607800967170

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498288545273946112

Ok, so seems like there's a possibility that Finland might join NATO?

 

[rietrot]

Ukraine does not meet most of the requirements to become an EU member. I don't see the practical point of doing this unless for propaganda purposes to increase moral.

The eastern half of Ukraine want to join the EU and be more European.

They are basically getting everything handed to them on a silver platter. So it is really clever asking to join the EU now whilst all decisions are emotional and they can call the country that objects out and shame them on Twitter.

This is the best chance they have.
Bit silly.

 

[Wrath of Khan]

Nothing like another country stirring the pot! FML no one is going to come out of this better off.. so pointless. Ukraines effort is admirable and the world is loving their courage, but like a dog fighting a bear, its pointless in the end and a lot of people will continue to die..

 

[Wrath of Khan]

The eastern half of Ukraine want to join the EU and be more European.

They are basically getting everything handed to them on a silver platter. So it is really clever asking to join the EU now whilst all decisions are emotional and they can call the country that objects out and shame them on Twitter.

This is the best chance they have.
Bit silly.

nah the Eastern side of Ukraine is mostly Russian.. Stalin purged all the Ukrainians long ago, then replaced them with Russians.

 

[supersunbird]

Nothing like another country stirring the pot! FML no one is going to come out of this better off.. so pointless. Ukraines effort is admirable and the world is loving their courage, but like a dog fighting a bear, its pointless in the end and a lot of people will continue to die..

They must just roll over and welcome their new Russian overlords? It's that or fight them.

 

[rietrot]

I truly believe, the people of Ukraine do not want a war as much as you do. I hope that there can be some kind of agreement that is made so that people no longer have to flee their homes in such a way.

Not those in charge.

They have shown by their actions in the now free republics that they do want war, with ridiculously strict and oppressive policies.

I had some hope for the comedian president (as someone from outside of the political establishment) but don't know, he hasn't done much to either stop that or the general corruption in Ukraine. Failed to implement the minks agreements.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498405849584263173

 

[dualmeister]

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Not those in charge.

They have shown by their actions in the now free republics that they do want war, with ridiculously strict and oppressive policies.

I had some hope for the comedian president (as someone from outside of the political establishment) but don't know, he hasn't done much to either stop that or the general corruption in Ukraine. Failed to implement the minks agreements.

It's not often that I want to back much that is said by our own, but I really feel the de-escalation would be the best bet. Throwing fuel on a fire only makes it worse.

 

[rietrot]

There are going to be some very conflicted people here about Elon Musk.

Meh. He is promoting his business, by sending starlink stuff to disaster areas.

Also connected Tonga

Seems slightly premature as Ukraine still have Twitter working for them just fine so obviously they have internet.

 

[Cray]

Well, I have read alot of the comments from members of this forum and it is all the news right now and everyone has their 2c. A forum is not only a space were we should be shouting and fighting, but also a space were one should listen. I'm chuffed to see that many here are been respectful to others (by majority)

While a lot of commentary here is personal and devoid from facts or deflective in nature. Many commenters here we fail to be objective to facts and rather debate on whichever position we follow, be it pro-Ukraine or pro-Russian. They has been some members who have been pretty bias but fairly so, in these issues you need to know the pre- "invasion" background and the geo-politics of the region and military capabilities of the two belligerents.

Now I will be honest and say that I am Pro-Russian,

Appreciate the admission of your biases, I definitely have no historic feelings either way except for an intense dislike of Putin so will try and keep things factual.

1. We have for the past years 13 000- 15 000 Russian speaking people in Ukraine who have been killed by Ukraine. Many have been gang raped, goods looted. Honestly, no nation like Russia can accept that type of situation

Do you have a source for those numbers...? While I agree that deaths of people are horrible, those are not all civilian deaths... Can you verify that all of those deaths were Russian speakers?

Your figure just mentions Russia speaking deaths, but a substantial portion of that number is made up of Ukrainian government troops. The Ukrainian Civil war is not one-sided, many of the people on both sides were engaged in active combat. The civilian deaths are obviously horrible but painting all the deaths in the Ukrainian civil war as being inflicted on one side by the other is a little dishonest. 4600 of those deaths above were Ukrainian government forces...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

Do you dispute that Russia has been arming the rebels throughout the period of this Civil war but is not claiming the high ground for casualties it has a big responsibility for ?

2. Minsk 2 accord. In the early 90's we had Gorbachev who allowed East Germany to be incorporated into Germany as a nation with the rule that NATO not expand and from 97 NATO has expanded in Eastern Europe

That rule was never formalized or signed into any treaty, care to comment on the Budapest memorandum where Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for a signed guarantee of recognition of sovereignty by Russia, something that was violated by the annexation of Ukraine.

3. The Russian military operation has by majority focused on military installations, people of Ukraine are not afraid of Russian military men, and some semblance of life is still going on in Ukraine. Civil deaths are few and it seems that Kiev citizens are now been armed and are looting the city

Source for Ukrainian citizens looting their own city? Civilian deaths certainly seems to be ratcheting up now...

4. Propaganda that we are receiving (including Russian media) is largely trying to mould our minds again the current operation

This I agree with.

5. I support a short demilitarization of Ukraine which will prevent further loss of lives in eastern Ukraine and ALSO prevent any a greater Russian aggression against Ukraine

What do you see as the end game for the two "independent regions" , drawn into Russia?

Not that what I will now say make a difference, but everyone here needs to separate their emotions and reasonable facts and likelihoods. Of note is that Biden said that Russia does not have "the right" to recognize an independent state, it is ironic that George Bush recognised Ukraine as a country outside the USSR which was a shock, ironic.

Look at the countries that have recognized the Donetsk and Luhansk, Russia excepted, are those countries that you hold in high esteem in terms of respect for human rights?

On the other hand, how does one feel living in Lutsk been brought into the fray by now having to move and suffer. Now who is the perp's here? You know.... But President Zelansky obviously was mislead and used as a pawn to make his population suffer. Russian citizens will now also suffer due to the sanctions as well.

The person most responsible for the current suffering in the Ukraine is Putin. If Russian civilians suffer because of sanctions the source of blame should only rest on one person's shoulders.

India, China, Africa, S.America populations, not necessarily governments support Russia with the scope they have about the events.

How do you know this?

 

[rietrot]

nah the Eastern side of Ukraine is mostly Russian.. Stalin purged all the Ukrainians long ago, then replaced them with Russians.

Yeah I mixed up east and west

 

[2023]

I support a short demilitarization of Ukraine which will prevent further loss of lives in eastern Ukraine and ALSO prevent any a greater Russian aggression against Ukraine

Not that what I will now say make a difference, but everyone here needs to separate their emotions and reasonable facts and likelihoods

Leaving the emotions at the door, the best way to save lives is for Russia to withdraw.

If Ukraine were to demilitarize, Russia would insist on "ensuring the peace by stationing troops in key locations". Ultimately you'll have uprising that will cost lives as the media is slowly blacked out. Fast forward a few years and we have a Belarus 2.0 in Ukraine.

Russia won't just stop if Ukraine demilitarize, only pause to resupply.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Yeah I mixed up east and west

You'd be fun to travel with.