US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[yebocan]

Russians are heavily reliant on television still. Or at least the government thinks so and they control the media broadcasted to their citizens.

It’s part of the reason for the back fire on Putin. His disconnection from reality is why he’s surprised by the overwhelming backlash.

echo chambers... -- you start living in your own head and fabricate a own reality --- he is after all just human, with same frailties like all of us... - the one thing that is worrying, he has never backed down ... once he has set a course...

 

[Cray]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498496987779399681

I wonder if there has been any attempt to sell the reason for this invasion to the Russian troops on the ground?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't accept the narrative of perfect victim vs perfect villain. It's childishly simplistic and is proven wrong by k@k the Ukraine did.

No one is innocent, I have no skin in the game, I have no incentive to pick sides.... so I haven't. The Ukraine thought it could outwit Russia in a dangerous game, Russia called the bluff.... the weakest link looses. That is all.

So what dangerous game were Ukraine playing specifically?

 

[KantSnyer]

I wonder if there has been any attempt to sell the reason for this invasion to the Russian troops on the ground?

Wouldn't be surprised if it was as comprehensive as "for mother Russia"

 

[Cray]

So what dangerous game were Ukraine playing specifically?

Not giving into the neighborhood bully, clearly, if the big burly guy makes demands you should simply give in, and if not it's all your fault when he beats the sh*t out of you.

 

[Nicodeamus]

So what dangerous game were Ukraine playing specifically?

Oppressing the russian speaking minority, being a dumping ground for US weapons. Having an ultra nationalist government that came to being after the US instigated coup d'état.

That in the borders of Russia.

It's like repeatingly telling mom jokes to the guy with a 3rd dan in Krav Maga, bullying his younger brothers and then complaining that he knocked me out after he warned me 10 times to stop.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Oppressing the russian speaking minority, being a dumping ground for US weapons. Having an ultra nationalist government that came to being after the US instigated coup d'état.

That in the borders of Russia.

It's like repeatingly telling mom jokes to the guy with a 3rd dan in Krav Maga, bullying his younger brothers and then complaining that he knocked me out after he warned me 10 times not to stop.

Ok, so oppressing the Russian speaking minority has some legs but can't say it really warrants a full out invasion of the country.

Dumping ground for US weapons? Were those weapons used against Russia at all?

Oh also gotta love this coup nonsense you spout, its like "I don't like the result, therefore it must have been a coup".

 

[Nicodeamus]

I wonder if there has been any attempt to sell the reason for this invasion to the Russian troops on the ground?

The propagada on the russian social media is more about "liberation from Nazism", lots of motherland and ancient kiev Russian stuff as well.

As with Ukraine they also circulate images of each tank captured or small town won but never mention the losses, or if they do it's always a hero.

 

[rambo919]

Oppressing the russian speaking minority, being a dumping ground for US weapons. Having an ultra nationalist government that came to being after the US instigated coup d'état.

That in the borders of Russia.

It's like repeatingly telling mom jokes to the guy with a 3rd dan in Krav Maga, bullying his younger brothers and then complaining that he knocked me out after he warned me 10 times not to stop.

Ukraine at this point is the neigbourhood smartass that that looked for k@k and when he found it ran around crying foul.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

It’s not news, it’s a commentary Which news would you prefer? I don’t have access to RT I’m afraid.

Ah right, the ole RT subscriber, I mean... That might be a new one for me, so at least you've come with some creativity.

 

[Spizz]

I don't accept the narrative of perfect victim vs perfect villain. It's childishly simplistic and is proven wrong by k@k the Ukraine did.

No one is innocent, I have no skin in the game, I have no incentive to pick sides.... so I haven't. The Ukraine thought it could outwit Russia in a dangerous game, Russia called the bluff.... the weakest link looses. That is all.

Sure, I'd say none of us have any skin in the game. And I'm far from being clued up on any of this and remain sceptical of all of it, but I guess I'm just a bit bemused when everyone is scrambling around pretending they are experts (hello Google), that when something like this is laid out by a repsected independent writer, people would rather choose to rather believe the dictators side of the story.

 

[rambo919]

The propagada on the russian social media is more about "liberation from Nazism", lots of motherland and ancient kiev Russian stuff as well.

As with Ukraine they also circulate images of each tank captured or small town won but never mention the losses, or if they do it's always a hero.

I love how they are making up the mythology of Ukrainian superiority.... which is completely fake.

 

[Gyre]

Oppressing the russian speaking minority, being a dumping ground for US weapons. Having an ultra nationalist government that came to being after the US instigated coup d'état.

That in the borders of Russia.

It's like repeatingly telling mom jokes to the guy with a 3rd dan in Krav Maga, bullying his younger brothers and then complaining that he knocked me out after he warned me 10 times not to stop.

You can justify any war/slavery/ideology with that reasoning - point is Ukraine was and still is none of Russia's business.

It's like me coming into your house and shooting you to liberate your family.

 

[Polymathic]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/05/25/what-people-in-southeast-ukraine-really-think-of-novorossiya/

Article from 7 years ago.

 

[Spizz]

Oppressing the russian speaking minority, being a dumping ground for US weapons. Having an ultra nationalist government that came to being after the US instigated coup d'état.

That in the borders of Russia.

It's like repeatingly telling mom jokes to the guy with a 3rd dan in Krav Maga, bullying his younger brothers and then complaining that he knocked me out after he warned me 10 times not to stop.

I can almost taste your desperation and I'm in a different hemisphere ffs.

And to think that people wonder where the Germans get their camp guards and madmen like Malema gets his followers. There seem to be plenty suitable candidates about.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

More likely that Christian nationalism in the case of Putin or Trump is more political than religious. Religion is just the veneer to achieve political objectives in a war against liberal democrats in the US and EU.

Well, I stand by my previous viewpoint on this. We're witnessing the greatest ideological battle that the world has ever experienced.

As I understood it, Russia has never in over 1000 years seen democracy. This might well change within our lifetime.

 

[Gyre]

I love how they are making up the mythology of Ukrainian superiority.... which is completely fake.

What's the alternative?

 

[supersunbird]

Ukraine at this point is the neigbourhood smartass that that looked for k@k and when he found it ran around crying foul.

And the guy who bliksemed him goes to jail for committing assault..

 

[Cray]

Ukraine at this point is the neigbourhood smartass that that looked for k@k and when he found it ran around crying foul.

It's weird how certain people in this thread claim they don't support Putin's actions but their words convey the impression that Ukraine is getting exactly what was coming to them.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Ok, so oppressing the Russian speaking minority has some legs but can't say it really warrants a full out invasion of the country.

It's no small item though, many Russians see them as being part of Russia. That area during the USSR used to be named after Stalin and often the people believe that they are still in Russia.

Dumping ground for US weapons? Were those weapons used against Russia at all?

The US instigated the riots in Khazakstan earlier this year as well and last year in Belarus (although then the protestors turned around and supported Putin)

Now if you're Putin and you see.
Georgia invited to Nato in 2005
Ukraine being a weapons dump
Riots, coups and instigations on your border.

What do you make of the situation? I personally think that it was monumentally stupid to have this antagnostic foreign policy against Russia. The US deals with thugs like China, Erdogan and Saudi Arabia all the time on much better terms.

Oh also gotta love this coup nonsense you spout, its like "I don't like the result, therefore it must have been a coup".

No it was a full blown coup d'état, the snipers in the Maidan revolution all were CIA trained and many of them not even Ukranian.