US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Spizz

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Ah right, the ole RT subscriber, I mean... That might be a new one for me, so at least you've come with some creativity.

I'm just asking. If you don't follow 'MSM' and you won't read a freelance journalist for some reputable newspapers because her summary is on Twitter, where do you actually get your news from?

Reading your comments, I can only assume it's the news that Putin wants you to have and you won't tell otherwise, so what can I assume? There are plenty of gullible fools willing to swallow his line, why aren't you another one of them?
 

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Sure, I'd say none of us have any skin in the game. And I'm far from being clued up on any of this and remain sceptical of all of it, but I guess I'm just a bit bemused when everyone is scrambling around pretending they are experts (hello Google), that when something like this is laid out by a repsected independent writer, people would rather choose to rather believe the dictators side of the story.
This is your problem... you are arguing with people who have no respect or trust for the establishment media.... your sources are believed to be outright liars whether they they have been bought or drunk the coolaid. You might respect your sources but the "other side" does not.

And this has been increasingly proven as time goes on and more incidents of fake footage or old completely unrelated footage are being shown as proof of Russian atrocities.... the establishment media is doing nothing in their crusade or clickbait frenzy other than further discrediting themselves.... it's rather beautiful in itself really.

When it comes to the media.... we have come full circle to the complete poop-show it was in the early 1900's.
 

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It's weird how certain people in this thread claim they don't support Putin's actions but their words convey the impression that Ukraine is getting exactly what was coming to them.
they love the strongman imagery - being brought up with it, it is pretty much engrained in them... -
 

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I mean...

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Although I am mighty sure that someone will jump out of the woodwork to yell, but it's a RUSSIAN wall!
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This is your problem... you are arguing with people who have no respect or trust for the establishment media.... your sources are believed to be outright liars whether they they have been bought or drunk the coolaid. You might respect your sources but the "other side" does not.

No, they make up their own version of events and inevitably some swallow it.

And this has been increasingly proven as time goes on and more incidents of fake footage or old completely unrelated footage are being shown as proof of Russian atrocities.... the establishment media is doing nothing in their crusade or clickbait frenzy other than further discrediting themselves.... it's rather beautiful in itself really.

Why single out the establishment media when the alternatives appear to be much worse.

When it comes to the media.... we have come full circle to the complete poop-show it was in the early 1900's.

The media have always had an angle. But I have to believe that there are good journalists out there who tell it like it is and faced with choosing to believe an investigative journalist who is famed for exposing the Cambridge-Analytica scandal, or a dictator who controls the news and locks up dissenters, is it such a tough choice?

Why will you not be objective here?
 

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I'm just asking. If you don't follow 'MSM' and you won't read a freelance journalist for some reputable newspapers because her summary is on Twitter, where do you actually get your news from?

Reading your comments, I can only assume it's the news that Putin wants you to have and you won't tell otherwise, so what can I assume? There are plenty of gullible fools willing to swallow his line, why aren't you another one of them?
Fair enough, I try not to follow MSM for the most part and try to stick with actual articles that are written by people who hold some form of credibility, I do watch some news reports, I also read books, watch documentaries, try to assimilate on all kinds of alternative content to get a better understanding of what it is that I have no knowledge of... It helps when you converse with people who hold different points of view. Social media however had been a big no no for me, it's been over a decade since I last used any of the platforms (if we don't count MyBB).

This said I blacklisted a few news outlets a while back given the sensationalism that was involved within their content.

I read through what she had to say now, I can't say that I have come across very much that helps me to understand what she is saying in many of the points raised. Perhaps you can break down what it is in there that you agree on vs what I have been saying previously in my posts and we can have some kind of reasonable discussion?

But throwing a twitter link in there with no real context involved, well... I'm not quite sure that I understand what you want me to do about that? I've given my point of view and reasoning behind this previously.
 

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I support truth no matter how ugly. If you build victory on a foundation of lies you are only laying the foundation for eventual defeat.

Not to be ugly(because I know tone is unreadable on the net), but how does that differ from the Bible? How is believing a person like Lazraus exists any different to believing in a hero during the war? Details may be incorrect but the actions could still be the same?

An example, a Ukrainian is called the Reaper for killing 10-20 russians. There might be a guy sitting somewhere blissfully unaware that there is a legend at all, with 40 russian's dogtags? In a war where a lot of factors are out of people's control, what is a little faith and hope?
 

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Aeroflot aircraft being told to reroute as people started closing air space to Russian affiliated aircraft and then taking the long way round.

 

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Granted Russia's initial strategy did look to minimise casualties, as they seem to have assumed the Ukrainians would capitulate as they invaded.

However, the indiscriminate shelling of Kharkiv with cluster munitions yesterday was a flagrant disregard for civilians and did result in civilian deaths.

The fact that it was launched while negotiations were on was a clear strategy to push the Ukrainians to settle.

It seems Macron has pushed Putin to halt such attacks. Let's hope that he keeps to that word.
 

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It's weird how certain people in this thread claim they don't support Putin's actions but their words convey the impression that Ukraine is getting exactly what was coming to them.
As I have said before, it only works if you view things from one side and one side only... You can't do that in a situation like this, there is more than one side.

EDIT: Must say, was impressed by your reasoning ability earlier, but will bite on that once the OP has had a chance to respond.
 

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No, they make up their own version of events and inevitably some swallow it.
Yes, your respected sources often do that.

Why single out the establishment media when the alternatives appear to be much worse.
Depends on what alternatives you are referring to.

The "they are all on the same whatsapp group" thing is a ridiculous delusion.

The media have always had an angle. But I have to believe that there are good journalists out there who tell it like it is and faced with choosing to believe an investigative journalist who is famed for exposing the Cambridge-Analytica scandal, or a dictator who controls the news and locks up dissenters, is it such a tough choice?
They are all beholden to the corporations they work for. At the same time almost all of them are more activists than journalists and are increasingly leftist.... they are part of the propaganda system not an objective source of information.

All the truely independent journalists who have not toed the party line have been forced out of the clicke and into supposed alternative media as soon as they voice any opinion that is verboten..... this has had an obvious chilling effect on the rest.

Why will you not be objective here?
I am being objective, which is why I brought up how it used to be. At that time no newspaper existed that was not political to the point of telling outright lies in favour of their party. Just as you can trust none of them then you can trust none of them now.

Or do you mean with "being objective" that I should agree with you?
 
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