US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Grant]

Might be some interesting results if it were to go to poll.

Examining post histories would render a more accurate result.

 

[Spizz]

It's no small item though, many Russians see them as being part of Russia. That area during the USSR used to be named after Stalin and often the people believe that they are still in Russia.


The US instigated the riots in Khazakstan earlier this year as well and last year in Belarus (although then the protestors turned around and supported Putin)

Now if you're Putin and you see.
Georgia invited to Nato in 2005
Ukraine being a weapons dump
Riots, coups and instigations on your border.

What do you make of the situation? I personally think that it was monumentally stupid to have this antagnostic foreign policy against Russia. The US deals with thugs like China, Erdogan and Saudi Arabia all the time on much better terms.



No it was a full blown coup d'état, the snipers in the Maidan revolution all were CIA trained and many of them not even Ukranian.

See before the next world event jumps out and hits us, would you be kind enough to tell us what subjects and events you are an expert of in advance, so we know when it hits if you are indeed an actual expert?

I mean, that's Covid and now Ukraine that you have a contrarian view of and appear to be incredibly well informed of. So are you in fact just 'at it' and, as I suspect, googling like crazy to defend the anti establishment position?

 

[Nicodeamus]

And the guy who bliksemed him goes to jail for committing assault..

Unless he is the policeman, which appears to be this case.

Can we at least admit that NATO's policy to pump money and especially weapons into the ultranationalist government of Ukraine was idiotic?

 

[rambo919]

Not to be ugly(because I know tone is unreadable on the net), but how does that differ from the Bible? How is believing a person like Lazraus exists any different to believing in a hero during the war? Details may be incorrect but the actions could still be the same?

Because for Lazarus to exist, Jesus has to exist. You cannot just conjure a new reality into existence. There is either full truth or full lie, no in between.

An example, a Ukrainian is called the Reaper for killing 10-20 russians. There might be a guy sitting somewhere blissfully unaware that there is a legend at all, with 40 russian's dogtags? In a war where a lot of factors are out of people's control, what is a little faith and hope?

BS is BS is BS... intention does not alter how BS this BS happens to be unless the intention is to tell the truth.

I will never support the use of war propaganda unless it is the full truth.

 

[Nicodeamus]

See before the next world event jumps out and hits us, would you be kind enough to tell us what subjects and events you are an expert of in advance, so we know when it hits if you are indeed an actual expert?

I mean, that's Covid and now Ukraine that you have a contrarian view of and appear to be incredibly well informed of. So are you in fact just 'at it' and, as I suspect, googling like crazy to defend the anti establishment position?

Hey I am just the guys that actually read a book or two about the conflict. Don't blame me if you're uninformed.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Examining post histories would render a more accurate result.

Well, perhaps you could enlighten us all with your result set?

 

[rambo919]

Unless he is the policeman, which appears to be this case.

Can we at least admit that NATO's policy to pump money and especially weapons into the ultranationalist government of Ukraine was idiotic?

But but but but.... they were helping the downtrodden..... have some COMPASSION man.

 

[Nicodeamus]

This reminds me of those University of the Freestate protestors who got moered by the fans when they charged the Rugby Fields a few years ago.

Were they within their rights to protest? Yes
Should the protestors have been bliksemed? No
Were they still stupid to do it on a Rugby field? Yes

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Lol brilliantly opportunistic if it is even true.

Looked Putin in the eye.....and said "we will send you the swift 0roof of payment tomorrow"

 

[rambo919]

If you walk into a flooding river.... is it the river's fault that it drags you down?

 

[thestaggy]

Granted Russia's initial strategy did look to minimise casualties, as they seem to have assumed the Ukrainians would capitulate as they invaded.

However, the indiscriminate shelling of Kharkiv with cluster munitions yesterday was a flagrant disregard for civilians and did result in civilian deaths.

The fact that it was launched while negotiations were on was a clear strategy to push the Ukrainians to settle.

It seems Macron has pushed Putin to halt such attacks. Let's hope that he keeps to that word.

It is difficult to believe everything you see on social media, but I have seen a few videos of Russian POWs saying they were told by their commanders that this was a war of liberation and that the people would welcome them. They were not expecting the resistance and hostility from the populace. They were also told that the Ukrainian armed forces would buckle quickly, if they even had the spirit to fight for their government at all.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Granted Russia's initial strategy did look to minimise casualties, as they seem to have assumed the Ukrainians would capitulate as they invaded.

However, the indiscriminate shelling of Kharkiv with cluster munitions yesterday was a flagrant disregard for civilians and did result in civilian deaths.

The fact that it was launched while negotiations were on was a clear strategy to push the Ukrainians to settle.

It seems Macron has pushed Putin to halt such attacks. Let's hope that he keeps to that word.

France has fortunately been calling for a Minsk II protocol of sort, and Macron is going into the election with all his opponents asking for that. I.e. nk Nato for Ukraine.

 

[Cray]

If you walk into a flooding river.... is it the river's fault that it drags you down?

This might be the worst analogy I have ever heard.

 

[Supervan II]

Be objective or at least lets try, if not you defeat your own moral conscience. Follow your views on principal not not group interests. Point out faults even they are yours.

Here's my take on this situation:

Had Putin only annexed the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts under the guise of "protecting their inhabitants from Nazis" the world would probably not be in the position it is today, but no, he had to invade his neighbour and then, to crown it all, threaten the rest of the world with his nuclear capabilities - all so that he could re-unite Ukraine and Crimea with his version of Mother Russia.

This whole fiasco has nothing to do with Nazis, nor NATO, and everything to do with his goal of re-uniting Crimea directly with Russia - via a corridor along the Black Sea or by annexing Ukraine as a whole.

Putin is a megalomaniac and has to be stopped.

 

[tetrasect]

If you walk into a flooding river.... is it the river's fault that it drags you down?

Talk about BS...

 

[Nicodeamus]

If you walk into a flooding river.... is it the river's fault that it drags you down?

As jy kak soek, gaan jy kak kry.

Many guys over here have never seen a bar fight occur. It always starts with a wingat laaitjie that is trying to be to big for his shoes.

Human rights don't help you the moment that you're being dondered.

 

[Blu82]

So something to note is that the city that was targeted by cluster munitions yesterday is a Russian speaking city.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498555888432463874

 

[surface]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498364392735453186

 

[Spizz]

Yes, your respected sources often do that.

I'm sure they do. Do dictators also do it?

Depends on what alternatives you are referring to.

The alternative to the oft called MSM.

The "they are all on the same whatsapp group" thing is a ridiculous delusion.

Indeed. Why even mention this?

They are all beholden to the corporations they work for.

Including the independent ones who are nominated for Pulitzer prizes? 'Independent' being the operative word here.

At the same time almost all of them are more activists than journalists and are increasingly leftist.... they are part of the propaganda system not an objective source of information.

So not all of them? And especially not one who on another thread the people refusing to read her stuff here, including you, would have her hoisted high as a hero?

Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal - Wikipedia

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All the truely independent journalists who have not toed the party line have been forced out of the clicke and into supposed alternative media as soon as they voice any opinion that is verboten..... this has had an obvious chilling effect on the rest.

Nonsense.

I am being objective, which is why I brought up how it used to be. At that time no newspaper existed that was not political to the point of telling outright lies in favour of their party. Just as you can trust none of them then you can trust none of them now.

I have no dog in the fight. I'm saying that faced with two choices I would rather believe a respected journalist known for fighting the system than a dictator who controls the news.

Or do you mean with "being objective" that I should agree with you?

I have only commented on the sources of information and where I would tend to lean if forced to choose.

You on the other hand have shown that you are so far down the rabbit hole you are incapable of being objective. And despite thinking you are above the media misinformation, it is actually quite the opposite and dictators like Putin and populists like Malema and Trump depend on people like you for their support and popularity. Well done.

 

[Wrath of Khan]

Please share the evidence for this?

I recall that Putin didn't want to wait? He thought he was above other countries.

Warsaw Pact - Wikipedia

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That's why the USSR formed the Warsaw Pact.

There are some nice videos on YouTube that explain it better than reading it all.