US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Spizz]

Hey I am just the guys that actually read a book or two about the conflict. Don't blame me if you're uninformed.

I am indeed. But I'm just asking in advance what else you have a PhD in before it happens so we can see if you are blagging it or not.

 

[thestaggy]

As jy kak soek, gaan jy kak kry.

Many guys over here have never seen a bar fight occur. It always starts with a wingat laaitjie that is trying to be to big for his shoes.

Human rights don't help you the moment that you're being dondered.

Not at all. More often than not its some big do0s loaded up on roids looking for an excuse to fight.

 

[ToxicBunny]

As jy kak soek, gaan jy kak kry.

Many guys over here have never seen a bar fight occur. It always starts with a wingat laaitjie that is trying to be to big for his shoes.

Human rights don't help you the moment that you're being dondered.

It always starts with a windgat laaitjie you say?

Hmmm strange, many of the bar fights I've seen have been between 2 big boys who are a bit too sozzled and start causing kak with each other... and in many cases its the windgat laaitjie who wades in and separates the twats.

 

[Zukat]

The propagada on the russian social media is more about "liberation from Nazism", lots of motherland and ancient kiev Russian stuff as well.

As with Ukraine they also circulate images of each tank captured or small town won but never mention the losses, or if they do it's always a hero.

It seems Ukraine is winning the propaganda war, granted they had a headstart, but have to give it to their creativity from the Russian SAM running over a civilian, 13 heroes on the island to photos of cringe whatsapp messages from the Russian soldier to his mom shown by the UN UA ambassador... people seem to be taking it all in.

 

[D tj]

Boris has ordered no Vodka in their No 10 private drinks parties.

 

[Cray]

As jy kak soek, gaan jy kak kry.

Many guys over here have never seen a bar fight occur. It always starts with a wingat laaitjie that is trying to be to big for his shoes.

Human rights don't help you the moment that you're being dondered.

You know if Ukraine had been lobbing missiles at Russia or threatening their border I would fully agree that there might be justification for a military response.

Has Ukraine ever made a demand of Russia or threatened Russian citizens? Yet Russia has been supplying weapons to one side of a civil war for years but somehow it's Ukraine that provoked this invasion?

Can you list the specific actions that Ukraine has done to provoke Russia, not the things that it did within it's own country that Russia has no business getting involved in?

 

[Moosedrool]

If you walk into a flooding river.... is it the river's fault that it drags you down?

This is your analogy: A river with a conscious that is drowning people who didn't jump into it.

 

[Nanfeishen]

It is difficult to believe everything you see on social media, but I have seen a few videos of Russian POWs saying they were told by their commanders that this was a war of liberation and that the people would welcome them. They were not expecting the resistance and hostility from the populace. They were also told that the Ukrainian armed forces would buckle quickly, if they even had the spirit to fight for their government at all.

You are correct , its extremely difficult to believe anything seen nowadays especially on social media.
Are they actual POW's telling the truth , just simple conscripts caught up in events larger than themselves.
Are they POW's coached to to say those things.
Or are they just some plebs in Russian uniforms acting out and punting propaganda.
Whats truth , whats fiction and whats propaganda.
Impossible to tell anymore.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Not at all. More often than not its some big do0s loaded up on roids looking for an excuse to fight.

What do you do if you're the small guy? You call it a night, and try and walk away and not get your guns out. The fight isn't worth it.

Since 2015 guys like Mearsheimer, Chomsky, Stephen Cohen, Peter Hitchens etc have been warning that if continue to pour weapons into Ukraine as opposed to building it up economically then this will occur.

Minsk II (that France is still supporting( argued for that, why can't it be implemented?

 

[rambo919]

This is your analogy: A river with a conscious that is drowning people who didn't jump into it.

Yeah..... no.

 

[Sinbad]

All you got from my post is spelling, grammar and sentence construction errors.

Oyi, like many comments here your revert is without substative revert, this is exactly what I was talking about.

What language is that?
Do you use complicated words to seem more photosynthesis?

 

[Grant]

Why Russians Are Hostages to Putin​

Russia has begun an invasion of Ukraine. What seemed impossible — “Do the Russians want war? But of course not, never” — has happened. A person who is ready to turn Russian boys into unknown soldiers, and in the absence of aggression against Russia cynically appeals to the memory of World War II, is using it as a historical shield to defend himself.

Putin is an armchair expert with the powers of the president of a nuclear power. And by the way, it was largely because Ukraine turned its nuclear weapons over to Russia that Crimea remained in Ukraine in the early 1990s. For this armchair expert it is insufficient to rule in his own country, where he has completely suppressed the opposition and civil society, he needs the whole world.
For the moment, this world does not live according to his rules, but now there will be an operation to enforce life according to these rules without rules. As Putin has put it, the “Soviet totalitarian regime” incorrectly divided the territory of the empire, limiting the rights of ethnic Russians, and now the time has come to redistribute the territory of the empire — already a former empire — anew.

An “escalation on the border,” a provocation organized by the Kremlin itself, is being used as a pretext for the invasion. That old Stalinist recipe. As in the case of Finland in 1939, the most important task of a military campaign, a minimally rational goal, is absent.
In Putin’s speech there is a motif with historical resonance from that year of 1939, when in September Western Ukraine and Western Belorussia were annexed and Poland dismembered. This is the concept of the “liberation” of fraternal peoples from a hostile government, in Putin’s words, “the protection of people.” In the case of 2022, external force will determine for the people, who chose a president for themselves in free elections, what kind of leadership they should have.

The “demilitarization” and “denazification” of Ukraine — this is that very same Stalinist motif of “liberation,” the representation of the legally elected authorities of a foreign country as enemies of its own people, in Putin’s words, a “junta.” And referring to the UN Charter and international law in this situation looks, to put it delicately, completely inappropriate.
“Strength and readiness to fight are the foundation of independence and sovereignty” – this really is something amazing. Putin has simply transformed the idea of sovereignty into a fetish, a justification for war. This amounts to extremely archaic thinking from the first half of the 20th century.

The cynical cloaking of aggression with the memory of the Great Patriotic War (World War II) is also a predictable tactic. While preparing for the invasion, Putin placed wreaths at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier.
A person who is ready to turn Russian boys into unknown soldiers, moreover in the absence of any aggression toward Russia, calls upon the memory of that great war, using it as a historical shield to defend himself. And he covers himself with a human shield, consisting of those who should have lived and not died, worked peacefully, and not fought. For Putin, the people of Russia are a cartridge, disposable material to diminish the imperial phantom pains that torment him.

None of those who surround Putin could stop the war, or even in some way influence this catastrophic decision by the president. His war cabinet only assented amid stammers. The “Politburo,” sitting at a respectful distance from the president, was presented to the world and has now been “anointed” with overall responsibility for the war.
Since the suppression of protests in early 2021, there are no figures left in the Russian government who are capable of contradicting Putin. The final brick has been set in place in the house of autocracy.

What has taken place is far more serious in its political, moral and psychological consequences than the operation in Georgia in 2008, the Crimean campaign and even the war in the Donbass in 2014-2015.
Of course, average Russians, “lazy militarists” watching the war on television or on the screens of their computers and listening to the history lectures of the commander-in-chief, have not yet realized this.
The realization will come later.
And perhaps they will even sober up.

 

[Moosedrool]

Yeah..... no.

Please explain then how Ukrainian citizens jumped into this river?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Stephen Cohen in 2014

 

[Cray]

NATO said to Russia, we are not an organization that is against you by any means... Russia then asked to join NATO, but they refused them. What does that tell you, the Russians knew this.

I can find zero evidence of Russia ever requesting to join NATO, or of them having been turned down, do you have a source for this?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Please explain then how Ukrainian citizens jumped into this river?

They were pushed in for the last 8 years as the US poured money into propping up their ultranationalist government, after it instigated the 2014 coup d'état.

That government kept on oppressing their Russian speaking minority with actions such as banning their language, and using the azov battalion to terrorise them.
Then to top it of they became a weapons dump for all those US military contractors that were closing shop as Iraq and Afghanistan was coming to an end.

Yet fully knowing that they signed the Minsk II agreement that called for neutrality, respected their sovereignty and could eventually integrate them into the EU, but not into Nato.

 

[daveza]

Now soprano Anna Netrebko has been cancelled - for those in the arts that's a biggie.

 

[Grant]

Ukraine at this point is the neigbourhood smartass that that looked for k@k and when he found it ran around crying foul.

Russia at this point is the global pariah, led by a deranged leader with dreams of re-establishing a glorious soviet empire.
Putin went out looking for kak and it is being served on a giant platter -

 

[yebocan]

Rebels without a cause?

nah, man...they were brought up during an era when Strongmen Ruled, yeah I am looking at all those staunch Christian Fedora/Trilby wearing men , that ruled this land back then - they so closely associated their reality to them...that is why they are drawn to Putin, he gives off the same pheromones -- they get excited...takes them back to a happier time in their lives... - hence defending his warped view of reality....Don't blame them at all, we all have such triggers... the key is to know, understand and disarm your triggers...or you just get moved by them...making what you think is totally logical arguments, when the rest of the world just goes WTAF....

 

[SlinkyMike]

Yes, your respected sources often do that.


Depends on what alternatives you are referring to.

The "they are all on the same whatsapp group" thing is a ridiculous delusion.


They are all beholden to the corporations they work for. At the same time almost all of them are more activists than journalists and are increasingly leftist.... they are part of the propaganda system not an objective source of information.

All the truely independent journalists who have not toed the party line have been forced out of the clicke and into supposed alternative media as soon as they voice any opinion that is verboten..... this has had an obvious chilling effect on the rest.


I am being objective, which is why I brought up how it used to be. At that time no newspaper existed that was not political to the point of telling outright lies in favour of their party. Just as you can trust none of them then you can trust none of them now.

Or do you mean with "being objective" that I should agree with you?

Get a clue numpties.