US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Wrath of Khan]

I can find zero evidence of Russia ever requesting to join NATO, or of them having been turned down, do you have a source for this?

sorry I typed a whole long reply to another chap. Just look up the Warsaw Pact, or there are some good videos on YouTube about Russia and NATO

 

[GreatWmR]

I can find zero evidence of Russia ever requesting to join NATO, or of them having been turned down, do you have a source for this?

I dunno about Russia but the USSR did once

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

It always starts with a windgat laaitjie you say?

Hmmm strange, many of the bar fights I've seen have been between 2 big boys who are a bit too sozzled and start causing kak with each other... and in many cases its the windgat laaitjie who wades in and separates the twats.

As someone thats been involved in many a barfight, I can confidently state that you are all talking utter BS.
Its always about a girl
"Natalia Poklonskaya"?

 

[rambo919]

I'm sure they do. Do dictators also do it?

Why do you believe I believe what Putin says because he says it?

The alternative to the oft called MSM.

There is not just one homogeneous "alt" block... that is a myth.

Indeed. Why even mention this?

See above.

Including the independent ones who are nominated for Pulitzer prizes? 'Independent' being the operative word here.

If you don't write what a publication will publish they don't pay you.....

So not all of them? And especially not one who on another thread the people refusing to read her stuff here, including you, would have her hoisted high as a hero?

Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal - Wikipedia

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The one's that are not activists are just doing it for money like any other salary drawer.

I don't see how you can think the leaking of this particular scandal was all that much counter narrative.... it was political sure but that's it.... it really was a minor event narrative wise. Reporting this was at the time at least certainly not career ending stuff.

Nonsense.

There are none as blind as those that will not see.

I have no dog in the fight. I'm saying that faced with two choices I would rather believe a respected journalist known for fighting the system than a dictator who controls the news.

And I am saying.... I very likely do not respect the journalists you respect. And even then.... I will make up my own mind and not be an NPC that believes whatever "my side" tells me to believe.... you are accusing me of doing what YOU are doing.

What seems to blow your mind is that there are more than two opinions on this.

I have only commented on the sources of information and where I would tend to lean if forced to choose.

You on the other hand have shown that you are so far down the rabbit hole you are incapable of being objective. And despite thinking you are above the media misinformation, it is actually quite the opposite and dictators like Putin and populists like Malema and Trump depend on people like you for their support and popularity. Well done.

No, the problem is I have not fallen into your rabbit hole of false dichotomies. You are the one failing to be objective because you believe that anyone that disagrees with your propaganda system is by that definition not being objective.

You claim to speak secularity.... but this all smacks of religion to me.

 

[rambo919]

Russia at this point is the global pariah, led by a deranged leader with dreams of re-establishing a glorious soviet empire.
Putin went out looking for kak and it is being served on a giant platter -

Yes.... stick to that rediculous narrative.... see how far it gets you.

 

[rambo919]

Please explain then how Ukrainian citizens jumped into this river?

Multiple people have done this multiple times by now.... ask more honest questions.

 

[Vrotappel]

Unless he is the policeman, which appears to be this case.

Can we at least admit that NATO's policy to pump money and especially weapons into the ultranationalist government of Ukraine was idiotic?

Yeah who the hell do they think they are. They should allow Putin to invade as he like at his own leisure. The bloody nerve.

 

[ShaunSA]

Now soprano Anna Netrebko has been cancelled - for those in the arts that's a biggie.

Isn't she a Putin groupie?

 

[Cray]

sorry I typed a whole long reply to another chap. Just look up the Warsaw Pact, or there are some good videos on YouTube about Russia and NATO

Yeah, but Russia and USSR are not the same thing,. The Warsaw pact dissolved in the 90's - was expecting that there might have been an overture by Russia to join since the dissolution of the Warsaw pact.

 

[dualmeister]

Satellite images show 64-kilometre-long Russian military convoy north of Kyiv alongside burning buildings | Business Insider

The vehicles in the convoy included tanks, armored trucks and other Russian military-grade vehicles, according to CNN.

www.businessinsider.co.za

 

[Grant]

Yes.... stick to that rediculous narrative.... see how far it gets you.

It's you who continually spews a ridiculous narrative.
Look around, see how far it is getting you

 

[ToxicBunny]

Yeah, but Russia and USSR are not the same thing,. The Warsaw pact dissolved in the 90's - was expecting that there might have been an overture by Russia to join since the dissolution of the Warsaw pact.

There isn't any evidence of Russia actively requesting to join Russia.

NATO and Russia have had relations since the 90's in terms of cooperation agreements etc, but Russia has never actively sought to join NATO. Some politicians on both sides have talked about it, but nothing concrete has ever been done.

 

[rambo919]

Get a clue numpties.

It's really funny how you seem to genuinely think I watch fox except occationally when a clip floats across by accident.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

This is the UK MoD version yesterday.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497903640777998341

found a nicer map, takes feeds from twitter and puts it into a visual form,
even has an Israel setting for the next time Hamas wants attention.

Ukraine Interactive map - Ukraine Latest news on live map - liveuamap.com

Live Universal Awareness Map Liveuamap is a leading independent global news and information site dedicated to factual reporting of a variety of important topics including conflicts, human rights issues, protests, terrorism, weapons deployment, health matters, natural disasters, and weather...

liveuamap.com

 

[ToxicBunny]

As someone thats been involved in many a barfight, I can confidently state that you are all talking utter BS.
Its always about a girl
"Natalia Poklonskaya"?

Actually interesting angle this...

Maybe one of the Mavericks girls snubbed Vlad and he's getting his own back by destroying her country.

 

[rambo919]

It's you who continually spews a ridiculous narrative.
Look around, see how far it is getting you

I don't wanna go anywhere.... its you lot that are getting so exited because others have the nerve to not agree with the truth as revealed by the huffingtonpost.

 

[Spizz]

Why do you believe I believe what Putin says because he says it?


There is not just one homogeneous "alt" block... that is a myth.


See above.


If you don't write what a publication will publish they don't pay you.....


The one's that are not activists are just doing it for money like any other salary drawer.

I don't see how you can think the leaking of this particular scandal was all that much counter narrative.... it was political sure but that's it.... it really was a minor event narrative wise. Reporting this was at the time at least certainly not career ending stuff.


There are none as blind as those that will not see.


And I am saying.... I very likely do not respect the journalists you respect. And even then.... I will make up my own mind and not be an NPC that believes whatever "my side" tells me to believe.... you are accusing me of doing what YOU are doing.

What seems to blow your mind is that there are more than two opinions on this.


No, the problem is I have not fallen into your rabbit hole of false dichotomies. You are the one failing to be objective because you believe that anyone that disagrees with your propaganda system is by that definition not being objective.

You claim to speak secularity.... but this all smacks of religion to me.

Again, I'm claiming nothing of the situation. I leave that up to those of you who seem to think you know what you are talking about and for some reason believe you to have enough information to form an opinion. Quite how you do this, and in your case it's a strong opinion, is beyond me and it makes me ask the question where do you get your information from?

Especially when, again, it's the same people with the same contrarian views based on believing the opposite of what is being reported. You could almost set your watch to you guys being so predictable.

 

[Nanfeishen]

I can find zero evidence of Russia ever requesting to join NATO, or of them having been turned down, do you have a source for this?

Google Russia NATO relations, there is a wiki article with a sub-section titled "Suggestions of Russia joining NATO".
Russia made suggestions on a number of occasions , but they were generally snubbed.

 

[Polymathic]

Satellite images show 64-kilometre-long Russian military convoy north of Kyiv alongside burning buildings | Business Insider

The vehicles in the convoy included tanks, armored trucks and other Russian military-grade vehicles, according to CNN.

www.businessinsider.co.za

I wonder what's the best way to deal with the convoy.

I'm no military but if I had to guess what the best strategy is:

I would attack the middles, to cause them to lag behind the vanguard and seperate their lines.

 

[GreatWmR]

I can find zero evidence of Russia ever requesting to join NATO, or of them having been turned down, do you have a source for this?

Warsaw Pact - Wikipedia

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That's why the USSR formed the Warsaw Pact.

There are some nice videos on YouTube that explain it better than reading it all.

If any of you are interested in Russias modern equivalent of the Warsaw Pact and NATO

Collective Security Treaty Organization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org