US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Jola]

At this point I am more worried about the voices in your head.... ur being a bit too much mate.

This moron has literally killed tens of thousands of civilians (Syria, Chechnya, etc), and I am being too much ???

 

[dualmeister]

Never mind the conflict in the Ukraine.
We have it right here on MyBB

 

[rambo919]

This ******* has literally killed tens of thousands of civilians (Syria, Chechnya, etc), and I am being too much ???

Yes, it's a drop in the bucket.

Getting upset and loosing your sense of composure is not gonna stop it anyway.

 

[Jola]

Yes, it's a drop in the bucket.

Getting upset and loosing your sense of composure is not gonna stop it anyway.

Well, at least the whole EU Commission agrees with me, I am not exactly alone.

 

[rambo919]

Never mind the conflict in the Ukraine.
We have it right here on MyBB

These literal Nazi Putin supporters agitating for neutrality need to be locked into detention camps until we can figure out what to do with them.... the monsters.

 

[buka001]

More neo nazis in Ukraine than anywhere else in the world.

I think the US win's that prize.

 

[rambo919]

Well, at least the whole EU Commission agrees with me, I am not exactly alone.

And I think the EU is a creeping authoritarian system of bureaucratic centralized enslavement that is bankrupting europe..... why would I agree with them on anything important?

 

[ToxicBunny]

These literal Nazi Putin supporters agitating for neutrality need to be locked into detention camps until we can figure out what to do with them.... the monsters.

So let me get this right, a country that has never posed an active threat to Russia, and has been invaded by Russia twice now (also while Russia was supplying separatists weaponry and machinary for years) must become neutral so that Russia doesn't bully it?

Do I have that largely right?

 

[Nicodeamus]

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But the coup was in 2014..... little bit late to the party, don't you think?

it started long before that,

How and Why the US Government Perpetrated the 2014 Coup in Ukraine

This will document that the ‘new Cold War’ between the US and Russia did not start, as the Western myth has it, with Russia’s involvement…

www.strategic-culture.org

The American scholar Gordon M. Hahn has specialized in studying the evidence regarding whom the actual snipers were who committed the murders, but he focuses only on domestic Ukrainian snipers and ignores the foreign ones, who had been hired by the US regime indirectly through Georgian, Lithuanian and other anti-Russian CIA assets (such as via Mikheil Saakashvili, the ousted President of Georgia whom the US regime subsequently selected to become the Governor of the Odessa region of Ukraine). Hahn’s 2018 book Ukraine Over the Edge states on pages 204-209:

"Yet another pro-Maidan sniper, Ivan Bubenchik, emerged to acknowledge that he shot and killed Berkut [the Government’s police who were protecting Government buildings] before any protesters were shot that day [February 20th]. In a print interview, Bubenchik previews his admission in Vladimir Tikhii’s documentary film, Brantsy, that he shot ahd killed two Berkut commanders in the early morning hours of February 20 on the Maidan. … Bubenchik claims that [on February 20] the Yanukovich regime started the fire in the Trade Union House — where his and many other EuroMaidan fighters lived during the revolt — prompting the Maidan’s next reaction. As noted above, however, pro-Maidan neofascists have revealed that the Right Sector started that fire. … Analysis of the snipers’ massacre shows that the Maidan protesters initiated almost all — at least six out of a possible eight — of the pivotal escalatory moments of violence and/or coercion. … The 30 November 2013 nighttime assault on the Maidan demonstrators is the only clear exception from a conclusive pattern of escalating revolutionary violence led by the Maidan’s relatively small but highly motivated and well-organized neofascist element."

more on the "mysterious snipers" here

Ukraine's Mysterious Snipers - Antiwar.com Original

Exactly a month ago the Ukrainian crisis seemed on the verge of a peaceful resolution: the European Union had mediated negotiations between the government - Justin Raimondo for Antiwar.com Original

original.antiwar.com

We may never know who hired the snipers who handed Ukraine over to a gaggle of assorted fascists, corrupt oligarchs, and their CIA backers. Yet we don’t need receipts to figure it out. Although asking "Qui bono?" isn’t always enough to draw a conclusion in such instances, in this case it most certainly is.

 

[Unhappy438]

Of course not. But at least in his eyes, any incursion by NATO would justify it.

Doubtful that he would see random westerners joining the fight as a NATO incursion. We would have seen statements by the Kremlin at this stage.

 

[rambo919]

So let me get this right, a country that has never posed an active threat to Russia, and has been invaded by Russia twice now (also while Russia was supplying separatists weaponry and machinary for years) must become neutral so that Russia doesn't bully it?

Do I have that largely right?

My friend, you try to sow discord so much I doubt you ever have anything largely right.... on purpose.

 

[C4Cat]

Ukraine's democracy , fair elections and freedom of speech are been improving a lot in the last 10 years since he was elected.

The election was judged free and fair by international observer

Yanukovych set to become president as observers say Ukraine election was fair

• Yulia Tymoshenko under pressure to concede defeat• Monitors praise 'impressive display' of democracy

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine's prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, was today under pressure to concede defeat in the country's presidential election after international observers this afternoon hailed yesterday's poll as fair and "truly competitive".

Observers from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) said there were no indications of serious fraud and described the vote as an "impressive display" of democracy. "For everyone in Ukraine this election was a victory," João Soares, president of the OSCE's parliamentary assembly, said.

With almost all votes counted, the Russian-leaning opposition leader, Viktor Yanukovych, had a clear 2.65% lead over Tymoshenko.

Russia has always tried to influence elections and place someone agreeable to them in Uk and other countries ... even in the USA.

As has the USA, the UK and other counties. Cambridge Analytica anyone. After Yanukovych was overthrown it was the US who decided what the makeup of the new government should be.

Half? the posts here are defending Putin's actions.

My posts are not. Can't speak for anyone else

 

[ToxicBunny]

My friend, you try to sow discord so much I doubt you ever have anything largely right.... on purpose.

No I'm trying to get a proper handle on your stance..

Is it that Ukraine must become neutral?
What about demilitarised?

 

[Jola]

And I think the EU is a creeping authoritarian system of bureaucratic centralized enslavement that is bankrupting europe..... why would I agree with them on anything important?

Well, you may have your views on the EU, but at the moment they are bankrupting the Russian people.

Just because of one crazy guy who should be locked up asap.

 

[buka001]

@Cray

The CIA Has Been Training Ukrainian Paramilitaries to 'Kill Russians' - News From Antiwar.com

The training program started in 2015

news.antiwar.com

On the CIA training the snipers.

Your source says started in 2015.

 

[rambo919]

No I'm trying to get a proper handle on your stance..

Is it that Ukraine must become neutral?
What about demilitarised?

Yeah I'm not falling for that trick again sorry, have a good day now ya hear?

 

[thestaggy]

In my opinion, Russian soldiers are being lenient with Ukraine, they are not trying to kill everyone, they are just making their way to the capital with as little damage as possible.

The majority of the fighting is in southern and eastern Ukraine. These areas range from majority Russian to significantly Russian. That is the likely reason as to why they are being ''soft''. They are fighting - and killing - the very people they claim they wanted to protect and liberate.

If the comments being made by captured Russian POWs are also to be believed, a lot of the Russian soldiers are conscripts who do not want to be there or are otherwise confused as to why they are there, which can further explain the less than stellar performance and slow progress. Low morale.

 

[MagNorthDigital]

Guys, Putin is just looking after his bottom line, all the demands, all the displays of power, it is all to secure that cash money for Russia.

Now like any good real estate agents / car salesman, he is not going to settle for book value + 5%. Cause that commission goes towards his retirement.

What would you do if you where living on a prayer, and someone deleted 25% of your income? Just play that Bon Jovi louder, or go out and do something?

The only country that can truly put an end to all of this, is Germany. And what Herr Scholtz decides to tell the German parliament is actually the only thing that matters.

Ukraine is unfortunately just the ADT security guard at the boom gate, into the complex that is western Europe. And that security guard just called the cops (Nato).

This neo notzi rubbish is bs, it's word association for toddlers, and the nuke **** is word association for geriatrics.

Putin has made his demands, it's up to Germany and Ukraine to make a counter offer on that Alfa Romeo (alfas leak oil consistently)

What is sad, is the amount of lives that could have been saved, if they just used Gumtree or Olx...

 

[ToxicBunny]

Yeah I'm not falling for that trick again sorry, have a good day now ya hear?

What trick would that be?

The one where you put forth your opinion, and everyone strolls through the Everest sized logical holes in it?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Your source says started in 2015.

I posted another one afterwards on the CIA role in the coup,

Stephen Cohen also called it CIA backed coup, see article above on the coup.
or video below,