US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[daveza]

They using the woman and children as human shields.

Any evidence of that ? Any at all ?

 

[Dave]

Ahhh good catch actually, I'd missed that.

Read it and laugh.

On Zelensky, he is largely a media made cult of personality with lots of foreign money, not to mention that he won an election by banning the opposition press and running of an ultra nationalist playbook. For the last 8 years he has been shelling the Russian speaking minority,

 

[surface]

There was more time travel, apparently Zelensky has been bombing Donbas for eight years and he used his powers to ban newspapers before the 2019 election.

Is it possible that Zelensky was behind the split of USSR as well? #askingquestions

 

[Nicodeamus]

They were shooting the protesters. Who's side were they on ? Yanukovych ?

America funded them. Create an angry crowd overthrow a government using existing tensions.

it's an old playbook.

 

[rietrot]

Just don't know what is true. The old days were wars fought primarily with bullets and bombs. Today countries take advantage of our dependency (addiction) to information to exploit their target audiences. In peace time we are constantly having to second guess and fact check media reports due to their misleading and lies. How much more so in war time does this apply. The difference here is that while in peace time time msm has control over what is real or false and they are the ones playing the game. In war time the roles are reversed and it is the media who are being played.

Propaganda is still the same, whether you are reading a physical newspaper in 1920 or Twitter today. You'll only find out the truth once the dust settles or maybe never.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Read it and laugh.

Its funny as fsck...

Its like reality and facts are this alien thing that just isn't welcome in his world.

 

[Dave]

They were shooting the protesters. Who's side were they on ? Yanukovych ?

America funded them. Create an angry crowd overthrow a government using existing tensions.

How about posting some proof that you aren't spouting more crap?

 

[buka001]

how did the us handle tiny little cuba during the cold war? How did they handle a single terrorist attack on 9/11? They flattened the middle east.

That is the equivalent here,

Absolutely is not. This is the definition of a false equivalence, if I ever saw one.

When the Cuban embargo started, Cuba already had USSR missiles in Cuba. A U-2 Overflight of Cuba is what was used to confirm this.

9/11 was an attack on civilian and military infrastructure in a sovereign territory by terrorists.

Can you provide a source showing any Nuclear Missiles that are currently based in Ukraine?
Can you provide any source showing that Ukraine has attacked any civilian or military infrastructure in Russia, prior to 24 February 2022?

 

[Gyre]

Its funny as fsck...

Its like reality and facts are this alien thing that just isn't welcome in his world.

He makes up his mind and finds the "facts" later

 

[ToxicBunny]

How about posting some proof that you aren't spouting more crap?

You're going to get a link to some article talking about the CIA in Timbuktu, and that will be his proof.

 

[Nicodeamus]

How about posting some proof that you aren't spouting more crap?

scroll back in the threat, evidence of the US instigating the riots is well known, see the stephen cohen articles/videos. You chose to ignore the crime, because your side is doing it.

 

[Jola]

America funded them. Create an angry crowd overthrow a government using existing tensions.

it's an old playbook.

I interpret it differently. IMO the Russians/Yanukovych shot the protestors, that makes the most sense.

But they failed to stop the demonstrations.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Absolutely is not. This is the definition of a false equivalence, if I ever saw one.

When the Cuban embargo started, Cuba already had USSR missiles in Cuba. A U-2 Overflight of Cuba is what was used to confirm this.

9/11 was an attack on civilian and military infrastructure in a sovereign territory by terrorists.

Can you provide a source showing any Nuclear Missiles that are currently based in Ukraine?
Can you provide any source showing that Ukraine has attacked any civilian or military infrastructure in Russia, prior to 24 February 2022?

Lies!

It was all the CIA, they done it!

 

[saturnz]

 

[Jola]

They using the woman and children as human shields.

Come now, this is just patently ridiculous.

In the good old days they would have had Putin on the gallows for these crimes.

 

[Dave]

scroll back in the threat, evidence of the US instigating the riots is well known, see the stephen cohen articles/videos. You chose to ignore the crime, because your side is doing it.

No, the thread is 443 pages long, that's the equivalent of telling me to go google (for something that doesn't exist).

If you continue posting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories it should be treated as trolling in N&CA.

 

[The Trutherizer]

I remember Ukrainians protesting for his removal. Would it be possible that in this stance they wanted the same as US?
Actual democracy removes presidents all the time , and just like Ukr did , elects a new one after that. The guy was successfully impeached , as Clinton and Trump were , compare to Zuma unsuccessful attempt.

List of impeachments of heads of state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The concept is of course anathema to dictators and their supporters.
To them, when somebody comes into power, that person must be in power forever.
To let them do whatever they want. Including favours to fellow dictators who helped them get into power.

 

[KantSnyer]

There you go, thinking without proper training again.

Still waiting on your sources for the two yachts in the Med.

Got that sauce yet?

 

[Nicodeamus]

Absolutely is not. This is the definition of a false equivalence, if I ever saw one.

When the Cuban embargo started, Cuba already had USSR missiles in Cuba. A U-2 Overflight of Cuba is what was used to confirm this.

9/11 was an attack on civilian and military infrastructure in a sovereign territory by terrorists.

well the evidence that terrorist did it was

Can you provide a source showing any Nuclear Missiles that are currently based in Ukraine?
Can you provide any source showing that Ukraine has attacked any civilian or military infrastructure in Russia, prior to 24 February 2022?

The consequence of 9/11 was the innovation of Iraq and the deliberate attempt by the Bush administration to paint it as if Sadam Hussein was responsible.

Absolutely is not. This is the definition of a false equivalence, if I ever saw one.

The equivalence is sphere of influences.

When the Cuban embargo started, Cuba already had USSR missiles in Cuba. A U-2 Overflight of Cuba is what was used to confirm this.

The USA also put Nuclear Weapons on the Soviet Union at the time, but the point is that the US over reacted. Crazy castro thought that the USSR backed down from a fight.

9/11 was an attack on civilian and military infrastructure in a sovereign territory by terrorists.

Setting aside the that the evidence was extracted from torture and that the US funded Al Queda. The direct consequence of 9/11 was the attack on Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan, the Arabspring with the end goal clearly stated as the invasion of Iran.

That exact sake Wolfowitz doctrine included ambitions for Ukraine and Russia. Remember cheney saying "we are an empire now?" At least he was honest.

'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out.

Can you provide a source showing any Nuclear Missiles that are currently based in Ukraine?
Can you provide any source showing that Ukraine has attacked any civilian or military infrastructure in Russia, prior to 24 February 2022?

Prior to Feb2022, no of course not. But that's a convenient place for you to start the clock.

There is a ton of weapons and good evidence that the US toppled the 2014 regime. That is enough to be concerned, especially given the history of Ukraine as the point of entry into Russia as well as the Nato ambition to bring ukraine into going back as early as 1997.

 

[LCBXX]

What does that have to do with you being gullible?

Everything. What purpose would fake news from the likes of CNN have, if not to fsck with the gullible?