US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Fulcrum29]

This is a rather interesting thread, less so the subject of discussion, but more it's participants.

Quite a few who scream communism at everything, have tossed aside their soaked panties and lining up here with their pompoms doing high kicks for soviet kgb operative and lizard king, Putin.

But of Putin, he would be crucified by the same torch carrying mob were he black and Russia an African state. Corruption in Russia is a way of life for many, as it is with African strongmen. Putin, like his African strongmen peers, also changes the law as he sees fit to remain in power.

People poked fun at our very own dear leader Malema, with this fancy house, range rover, breitling and loius vuitton accessories - how could he afford it all on his salary. How could zuma afford all on his salary.
And then we have putin, a man of extraordinary wealth surrounded by his circle of oligarchs, not much different to zuma and his gupta, shaik, reddy circle.
Zuma, not much different to putin, except black.

Why is it our ultra conservative right wingers are so eager to give putin free passes when he is, if not more, corrupt than our own zuma, mugabe and malema.

All very perplexing

Here is my view. I learned a long time ago not to trust anyone. Governments, irrespective of their propped up alignment promoted by themselves, and others, and the media has long exercised their power and reach to raise and influence the populace by their will, more than willing to make examples for empathising their mandate.

There are times I firmly believe that people cannot think for themselves anymore, their train of thought is programmed, and if anyone goes against this specific grain you are alienated from your society, being labelled with minority thought.

For all I want is not a war, it won't bode anyone well.

 

[Dave]

My humble guess is that it is more than likely that what Thor is actually referring to are the socialists given that they are commonly lumped together under the same umbrella.

No, he definitely said they weren't democracies, I even asked him for clarification.

Also, FYI, some of the ex-communist countries in the EU are now fairly right wing in outlook, Hungary is a good example.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

I would say an invasion is possible, though not highly probable, but every government, party here, is pushing a narrative. When the Japanese met with Putin, they kept it short and simple, and strictly political business.

The Russian and Belarus military drills are coming to an end today, what happens then to the Russian military assets in Belarus I don’t know, but the ‘West’ has used satellite imagery over Belarus to support their views and to convey those views to the public, even though similar exercises took place last year in Belarus, but now being on the Belarus-Ukrainian border which was announced and publicly reported by the Russians and Belarus.

I still don’t see the Russians do ballistic and cruise missile launches, drills yes, but no launches. Not when they are planning to invade, within what is believed as an imminent window. There is too much ‘readiness’ at stake. In the case they aren’t invading, I am sure they will put up quite the show to be watched by the West.

It's been pointed out already that it is strategically impossible for Russia to invade Ukraine given the rabble that they have on the border, I simply don't understand what all the fuss is about if that is the case. The people making the noise are the same people that would know this and yet, they harp on like it's 2003 all over again.

The racket is simply an attempt to stay relevant in an age where their ideology is not, hopefully once all the old folkies die out then their agendas will too so that we can be left with at least a few years of peace in this world. This given that they don't blow everything up in the process.

 

[greg0205]

This is a rather interesting thread, less so the subject of discussion, but more it's participants.

Quite a few who scream communism at everything, have tossed aside their soaked panties and lining up here with their pompoms doing high kicks for soviet kgb operative and lizard king, Putin.

But of Putin, he would be crucified by the same torch carrying mob were he black and Russia an African state. Corruption in Russia is a way of life for many, as it is with African strongmen. Putin, like his African strongmen peers, also changes the law as he sees fit to remain in power.

People poked fun at our very own dear leader Malema, with this fancy house, range rover, breitling and loius vuitton accessories - how could he afford it all on his salary. How could zuma afford all on his salary.
And then we have putin, a man of extraordinary wealth surrounded by his circle of oligarchs, not much different to zuma and his gupta, shaik, reddy circle.
Zuma, not much different to putin, except black.

Why is it our ultra conservative right wingers are so eager to give putin free passes when he is, if not more, corrupt than our own zuma, mugabe and malema.

All very perplexing

Or not...

Personally I find the venn diagram of pro-Putin, sOcIaLiSm!, cAnCeL cUlTuRe!, vax-hesitant or anti-vax, anti-mask, pro-IVM, evangelical, zionist, rapture death-cult, pro-gun, anti-abortion, buttery male, nationalist and conservative folks approaching a perfect circle.

 

[Dave]

Or not...

Personally I find the venn diagram of pro-Putin, sOcIaLiSm!, cAnCeL cUlTuRe!, vax-hesitant or anti-vax, anti-mask, pro-IVM, evangelical, zionist, rapture death-cult, pro-gun, anti-abortion, buttery male, nationalist and conservative folks approaching a perfect circle.

You forgot pro-Trump

 

[greg0205]

You forgot pro-Trump

Buttery male subbing for that one.

 

[Thor]

It's been pointed out already that it is strategically impossible for Russia to invade Ukraine given the rabble that they have on the border, I simply don't understand what all the fuss is about if that is the case. The people making the noise are the same people that would know this and yet, they harp on like it's 2003 all over again.

The racket is simply an attempt to stay relevant in an age where their ideology is not, hopefully once all the old folkies die out then their agendas will too so that we can be left with at least a few years of peace in this world. This given that they don't blow everything up in the process.

This.

Russia won't risk it.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

No, he definitely said they weren't democracies, I even asked him for clarification.

Also, FYI, some of the ex-communist countries in the EU are now fairly right wing in outlook, Hungary is a good example.

Ah right, my understanding of this then - or perhaps they ninja edited a part of one of the posts that mentioned that US dems being mostly socialist.

It doesn't change much in what I had to say though. We live in a socialist capitalist society, pointing fingers about who is more socialist than the other is just a bit silly to me.

 

[rvZA]

Russian diplomat says US, UK assessments can’t be trusted because of past intelligence mistakes​

Russia’s deputy ambassador to the UN on Sunday said that the U.S. and U.K.’s assessment of an imminent Russian invasion can’t be trusted because the countries’ intelligence agencies have had too many mistakes in the past.

"We don't trust the U.S. and British intelligence, they let us down, the whole world, on many occasions enough to remember weapons of mass destruction in Iraq," Dmitry Polyanskiy told Britain’s Sky News.

He also questioned where the Western nations were getting their assessments of the more than 150,000 Russian troops on the Ukrainian border, which he denied, claiming the country is just carrying out routine military drills.

"I don't think our drills on our territory should worry anyone," he told Sky, accusing the West of “scaremongering and warmongering."

He also claimed that an uptick of violence in eastern Ukrainian territory held by Russian-backed separatists is due to the Ukrainian government's shelling of a “peaceful” population. The West has warned Russia might use "false flag" attacks in the region as a pretense for an invasion.

Polyanskiy said Putin actually wants to meet with Western leaders around the negotiating table to "see what we can do for security and guarantees for Russia's absolutely legitimate concerns".

Russia-Ukraine: Biden briefed by security advisers as Russian commanders receive invasion orders

Violence has spiked in areas held by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine as more than 150,000 Russian troops remain along the border, but Russian forces have not yet invaded Ukraine

www.foxnews.com

 

[IndigoIdentity]

This is a rather interesting thread, less so the subject of discussion, but more it's participants.

Quite a few who scream communism at everything, have tossed aside their soaked panties and lining up here with their pompoms doing high kicks for soviet kgb operative and lizard king, Putin.

But of Putin, he would be crucified by the same torch carrying mob were he black and Russia an African state. Corruption in Russia is a way of life for many, as it is with African strongmen. Putin, like his African strongmen peers, also changes the law as he sees fit to remain in power.

People poked fun at our very own dear leader Malema, with this fancy house, range rover, breitling and loius vuitton accessories - how could he afford it all on his salary. How could zuma afford all on his salary.
And then we have putin, a man of extraordinary wealth surrounded by his circle of oligarchs, not much different to zuma and his gupta, shaik, reddy circle.
Zuma, not much different to putin, except black.

Why is it our ultra conservative right wingers are so eager to give putin free passes when he is, if not more, corrupt than our own zuma, mugabe and malema.

All very perplexing

Yes, your age and wisdom on these matters has really gifted us all some greater insight into the world works.

I find it odd that one would see a need in this day and age to resort to veiled criticism so as push a point that is shared so strongly. It is unnatural to me, perhaps I am just odd.

What I have noticed over the years though is that many of the older generation of SA seem to exhibit a trait of childishness within their ability to process reality or to generally convey their thoughts. The whole country suffers greatly from a lack of leadership overall as a result.

What I personally put this down to is the level of to propaganda and programming that they may have experienced whilst growing up within an extremely polarized society - forever broken, stuck in a youthful frame of existence.

The communist threat no longer exists, we merged with them.

 

[hexagon]

But of Putin, he would be crucified by the same torch carrying mob were he black and Russia an African state. Corruption in Russia is a way of life for many, as it is with African strongmen. Putin, like his African strongmen peers, also changes the law as he sees fit to remain in power.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
750 US military bases remain around the planet

 

[saturnz]

This is a rather interesting thread, less so the subject of discussion, but more it's participants.

Quite a few who scream communism at everything, have tossed aside their soaked panties and lining up here with their pompoms doing high kicks for soviet kgb operative and lizard king, Putin.

But of Putin, he would be crucified by the same torch carrying mob were he black and Russia an African state. Corruption in Russia is a way of life for many, as it is with African strongmen. Putin, like his African strongmen peers, also changes the law as he sees fit to remain in power.

People poked fun at our very own dear leader Malema, with this fancy house, range rover, breitling and loius vuitton accessories - how could he afford it all on his salary. How could zuma afford all on his salary.
And then we have putin, a man of extraordinary wealth surrounded by his circle of oligarchs, not much different to zuma and his gupta, shaik, reddy circle.
Zuma, not much different to putin, except black.

Why is it our ultra conservative right wingers are so eager to give putin free passes when he is, if not more, corrupt than our own zuma, mugabe and malema.

All very perplexing

Tu quoque

 

[Cray]

I see that same article have it that the Russians has, again, increased their troops. 150 000 was the last number, now it is between 169,000 and 190,000 Russian troops stationed along Ukraine's border, but the same paragraph has a disclaimer,

This may be true but csn't the UK government get someone else to say it? I have trouble believing Boris on any issue these days..

 

[Tun@]

Belarus, Russia continue military drills north of Ukraine​

Russian military exercises in Belarus scheduled to end on Sunday will continue, Minsk has announced, pointing to an increase in tensions along the Ukraine border.

Belarusian Defence Minister Viktor Khrenin said Russian troops will not withdraw from the country as previously announced.

Khrenin said the decision had been taken because of rising tensions in Ukraine’s disputed Donbass region and “in connection with the increase in military activity near the external borders” of Russia and Belarus.

The move further intensifies pressure on Ukraine as Western leaders and NATO warn of an imminent full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

Macron, Putin agree to work for Ukraine ceasefire

Russia-Ukraine news from February 20: Macron and Putin agree on necessity of a diplomatic solution to ongoing crisis.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Or not...

Personally I find the venn diagram of pro-Putin, sOcIaLiSm!, cAnCeL cUlTuRe!, vax-hesitant or anti-vax, anti-mask, pro-IVM, evangelical, zionist, rapture death-cult, pro-gun, anti-abortion, buttery male, nationalist and conservative folks approaching a perfect circle.

You missed the other side of the diagram - the pro-democrats who can't stand the thought of socialism. Boy, talk about a warped sense of reality.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

This may be true but csn't the UK government get someone else to say it? I have trouble believing Boris on any issue these days..

Boris is loving all this. What Parties?

 

[Dave]

LOL at Sky News Italy

 

[Solarion]

LOL at Sky News Italy

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Aaah the Ukrainian Desert. Quite pleasant this time of year.

 

[Dave]

Aaah the Ukrainian Desert. Quite pleasant this time of year.

Along with that scary time travelling tank.

 

[theratman]

LOL at Sky News Italy

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Didn't help last time out against the Russians