US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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rambo919

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Why is it our ultra conservative right wingers are so eager to give putin free passes when he is, if not more, corrupt than our own zuma, mugabe and malema.

All very perplexing
That's because you see everything in terms of myopic team sport with no room for multiple opinions at once or any kind of nuance.

Just because you need to have a self centered narrative does not mean everyone else does.

No one is giving Putin free passes and all global leaders are corrupt, corruption in itself is not the problem.
 

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You forgot pro-Trump
Yep. It's easy to forget that no so long ago Russia helped to install a US president who, among other things (which may seem oddly coincidentally timed to some), caused real tension within NATO.
Trump seemed more than willing to break up the cross-Atlantic alliance. A state of affairs which would probably have seen Ukraine swiftly falling under Russian rule.
Instead, by failing in that, and somewhat pushing ahead with plans (Putin's not getting any younger after all, and the re-unification of Russia and Ukraine a la Soviet Union has been a decades long ambition of his), NATO has been immensely strengthened.
 

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Russian Ambassador to United States, Anatoly Antonov affirms that Russia has no intention to invade Ukraine.

Antonov avoided contradicting America’s commander-in-chief directly, saying Russia has declared in writing to the US State Department that no such attack is planned. But he also bristled at the notion of Western nations presuming to decide how Russian troops should be deployed.

“Why are you ignoring Russian concerns on security?” Antonov asked. “Today, the problem is not Ukraine. The problem is what kind of world order will be in the future.” The key principle is “indivisible security,” meaning that neither NATO nor Russia should be allowed to strengthen its security at the expense of the other party.

 

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Russian Ambassador to United States, Anatoly Antonov affirms that Russia has no intention to invade Ukraine.
Because people planning an invasion are always honest about their intentions.. :X3: And that's assuming that the Kremlin would even trust him with the truth if they where planning an invasion.

He may well be telling the truth, just not sure I would take his word for it without independent verification.
 

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There will never be a WW3. China and Russia have neutralized all their biggest enemies that may have caused a new World War. Europe has fallen to them, UK has fallen to them, the US fell to them, South Africa fell to them. NATO is torn in pieces. The UN means nothing anymore. Biden was the last piece of their planning to get him into the Presidency of the US. These two countries are currently the new world leaders and they are now going to demonstrate to the world why and what will happen to any country resisting them.

Yep. It's easy to forget that no so long ago Russia helped to install a US president who, among other things (which may seem oddly coincidentally timed to some), caused real tension within NATO.
Trump seemed more than willing to break up the cross-Atlantic alliance. A state of affairs which would probably have seen Ukraine swiftly falling under Russian rule.
Instead, by failing in that, and somewhat pushing ahead with plans (Putin's not getting any younger after all, and the re-unification of Russia and Ukraine a la Soviet Union has been a decades long ambition of his), NATO has been immensely strengthened.
I find it amazing that the states is always being lead by external forces and never responsible for their own political decisions and yet, it is the states who has the largest track record when it comes to foreign intervention.

I wonder what the programming will lead us to believe once Putin steps down in 2024 as the worlds president.
Christ, you people are all insane.
Perhaps you're on to something here.
 

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I find it amazing that the states is always being lead by external forces and never responsible for their own political decisions and yet, it is the states who has the largest track record when it comes to foreign intervention.

I wonder what the programming will lead us to believe once Putin steps down in 2024 as the worlds president.

Perhaps you're on to something here.
 

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Russia creating lists of Ukrainians 'to be killed or sent to camps' following invasion - UN ambassador​


Russia is creating lists of Ukrainians "to be killed or sent to camps" in the event of an invasion, said Bathsheba Nell Crocker, the US ambassador to the United Nations.

"We are deeply concerned about Russia's continuing human rights abuses in the parts of Ukraine it already occupies and have every reason to believe those concerns will multiply following a new military offensive," she wrote in a letter to UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet shared by the Washington Post on Monday.

Crocker wrote that "disturbing information" obtained by the US suggests that Russia is already planning human rights abuses ahead of a possible invasion of Ukraine. She added that Russian forces had used tactics such as targeted killings, kidnappings, illegal detentions, and torture during previous operations.

According to Crocker, dissidents, journalists, ethnic minority groups, and LGBTQ+ individuals are likely targets.

"Specifically, we have credible information that indicates Russian forces are creating lists of identified Ukrainians to be killed or sent to camps following a military occupation. We also have credible information that Russian forces will likely use lethal measures to disperse peaceful protests or otherwise counter peaceful exercises of perceived resistance from civilian populations," she added.

 

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How "credible" are these people really...they have been saying the same BS for 6 years already....just a bit louder this year.
Louder does not make it any more "credible"...
Whats really fascinating are the people who believe it and all the rest of the BS that is written about perceived "enemies of the empire"...
It's like Goebels was right and people will believe big lies if they let their heads be filled with them all day every day...
 

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How "credible" are these people really...they have been saying the same BS for 6 years already....just a bit louder this year.
Louder does not make it any more "credible"...
Whats really fascinating are the people who believe it and all the rest of the BS that is written about perceived "enemies of the empire"...
It's like Goebels was right and people will believe big lies if they let their heads be filled with them all day every day...
A lot of it is true, the USSR and Russian Federation are both updated replays of the Russian Empire. History has shaped the Russians to think this way whether they want to or not.

Understand this nature of this particular people and everything makes sense. In fact all of Europe and Asia seems to be falling back into old patterns against it's will. Nothing currently happening is new or unexpected.

We are going back to how things were before Protestant/Evangelical/etc type Christianity temporarily became the global norm. National nature is re-asserting itself now that the chief suppressor of it is basically gone.
 

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Its a sad state of affairs. NATO and US are stirring a pot here trying to escalate matters into a war. Russia has legitimate concerns.
That's the funny thing people miss about history.... all expansionist empires have legitimate concerns which they use expansion to fix.... and it never really works past a certain point where contraction and internal instability sets in.... But each empire thinks itself special enough to not repeat this pattern.
 

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Russia creating lists of Ukrainians 'to be killed or sent to camps' following invasion - UN ambassador​





The pattern seems familiar

The Nayirah testimony was false testimony given before the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a 15-year-old girl who was publicly identified at the time by her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to support Kuwait in the Gulf War.
In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was Al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيرة الصباح) and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]

In her testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British NGO, which published several independent reports about the killings[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[4] Amnesty International reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement".[5]


 
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Russia creating lists of Ukrainians 'to be killed or sent to camps' following invasion - UN ambassador​




This is just US fearmongering and fabricating fear

We saw this with Bush.
 

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I find it amazing that the states is always being lead by external forces and never responsible for their own political decisions and yet, it is the states who has the largest track record when it comes to foreign intervention.

I wonder what the programming will lead us to believe once Putin steps down in 2024 as the worlds president.

Perhaps you're on to something here.
Always? That's not what I said.
 
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