US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Temujin]

 

[ForceFate]

so what are the chances this entire situation could end up in a Nuke war?
I mean USA and Russia have never seen Eye to eye, and this just feels like a continuation of old unresolved rivalries.

Chances close to 0%. Russia wants territory and not nuclear wasteland.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Chances close to 0%. Russia wants territory and not nuclear wasteland.

so most of Asia isnt enough for the greedy Russians?
why the Ukraine? or is it similar to How Germany wanted Austria in between the Wars.

 

[rambo919]

Nukes is that thing you want to use distantly when no one will retaliate.

Such an opening is nowhere in sight atm.

 

[rambo919]

so most of Asia isnt enough for the greedy Russians?
why the Ukraine? or is it similar to How Germany wanted Austria in between the Wars.

Ukraine has something like 25% of global most fertile land or something.... it's a strategic area.

 

[rvZA]

This is just US fearmongering and fabricating fear

We saw this with Bush.

War is big money for the US government. Biden and the democrats collapsed the economy and they are in dire need of money.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

so what are the chances this entire situation could end up in a Nuke war?
I mean USA and Russia have never seen Eye to eye, and this just feels like a continuation of old unresolved rivalries.

My POV: Nil. Despite the rampant craziness, neither side is insane enough to escalate into a nuclear war over what is essentially a "territorial dispute".

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Ukraine has something like 25% of global most fertile land or something.... it's a strategic area.

so South africa could invade Zim, because its the Most fertile Land in Africa,
does not mean we Decide to do it. even if Zuma or Malema wake up one day and decide on it.

 

[Tun@]

War is big money for the US government. Biden and the democrats collapsed the economy and they are in dire need of money.

Hard to see ain't it, considering we are here less than 6 month's after they bailed out of Afghanistan.

 

[yebocan]

back in my day -- you would make your case to the world, --mostly cooked up intelligence ....get a coalition of the willing...general little unknown countries in the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean.... and boom bang...light show of note--Awe and Power....these days its a drawn out "foreplay" ---- in a matter of days spiel, over and over again...

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

War is big money for the US government. Biden and the democrats collapsed the economy and they are in dire need of money.

after leaving the Taliban all that useful equipment and looking like cowards running out of Afghanistan,
The Idiot Biden could use a win,

 

[rambo919]

so South africa could invade Zim, because its the Most fertile Land in Africa,
does not mean we Decide to do it. even if Zuma or Malema wake up one day and decide on it.

If Apartheid evolved into an expansionist empire... it would not have been out of the question.

The pretext being stabilizing the borders.

 

[flytek]

No they didn't, already shown to be incorrect earlier in the thread.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Official results​

According to the Central Election Commission of Ukraine on February 28, 2014 there were 1,534,815 registered voters in the autonomous republic of Crimea and 309,774 in the city of Sevastopol, which totals to 1,844,589 voters in the two Ukrainian regions.[135]

According to organizers of the referendum, 1,274,096 people voted in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, giving the plebiscite an 83.1% turnout in that region.[a]

Choice	Votes	Percentage of registered voters	Percentage of all ballots cast	Percentage of valid votes
Join the Russian Federation as federal subject of Russia?	1,233,002	80.42%	96.77%	97.47%
Restore the 1992 Crimea constitution and become a part of Ukraine?	31,997	2.09%	2.51%	2.53%
Subtotal of valid votes	1,264,999	82.51%	99.29%	100.00%
Invalid or blank votes	9,097	0.59%	0.72%	—
Total votes cast	1,274,096	83.1%	100.00%	—
Registered voters that did not participate	≈ 259,112	16.9%	—	—
Total registered voters	[f] ≈ 1,533,208	100.00%	—	—

Final results from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea[a]
[citation needed](Values in italics are calculated by an editor rather than provided by official sources.)

Choice	Votes	Percentage of registered voters	Percentage of all ballots cast	Percentage of valid votes
Join the Russian Federation as Federal subject of Russia?	262,041	85.56%	95.6%	96.59%
Restore the 1992 Crimea constitution and become a part of Ukraine?	9,250	3.02%	3.37%	3.41%
Subtotal of valid votes	271,291	88.58%	98.97%	100.00%
Invalid or blank votes	2,810	0.92%	1.03%	—
Total votes cast	274,101	89.50%	100.00%	—
Registered voters that did not participate	32,157	10.50%	—	—
Total registered voters	[dubious – discuss]306,258	100.00%	—	—

Final results from Sevastopol[1]
(Values in italics are calculated by an editor rather than provided by official sources.)

 

[The Trutherizer]

No offense meant in what I had said as it was not directed at you. simply an observation relating to how the US always seems to be a victim and helpless against these foreign interventions within their electoral system.

It isn't though. In their election before last there was ample evidence of Russia getting a hook in their elections through social media however. A phenomenon the world has not quite gotten to grips with. For all that it is just the same old thing, but over a medium that turbo charges it.
Historically that kind of influence has flowed from the US to less developed nations. From Russia as well. Which is by no means a wonderful thing. Yet is nothing new in the world.
The stakes are quite a bit higher when one nuclear super power does it to another nuclear super power though.
I can't help but feel it was super unwise. Cutting to the heart like that.

 

[rvZA]

after leaving the Taliban all that useful equipment and looking like cowards running out of Afghanistan,
The Idiot Biden could use a win,

The Biden regime is 100% a carbon copy of the ANC regime. Everything they touch turns to s**t. Very common trait in Socialist governments. Biden will never get a win.

 

[rambo919]

The Biden regime is 100% a carbon copy of the ANC regime. Everything they touch turns to s**t. Very common trait in Socialist governments. Biden will never get a win.

Same template perhaps.

I bin saying for years, ANC SA was a test for murica.

 

[rvZA]

Same template perhaps.

I bin saying for years, ANC SA was a test for murica.

The similarities in the Biden regime since 2021 and South Africa is shockingly the same. One does not need to be a scientist to see it and see the demise of the USA coming on real fast.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

The Biden regime is 100% a carbon copy of the ANC regime. Everything they touch turns to s**t. Very common trait in Socialist governments. Biden will never get a win.

so is this the solution? "manufacture" a crisis to make him look good,
pose for a few photos on the phone to Putin, just like Chamberlin did with Hitler back in the 1930's

is this what diplomacy is all about? acting and theatrics, and NOT actually doing anything.

 

[rambo919]

The similarities in the Biden regime since 2021 and South Africa is shockingly the same. One does not need to be a scientist to see it and see the demise of the USA coming on real fast.

I can come to no other conclusion that the destruction of SA is on purpose.... only they are frustrated it's not happening faster and trying to rush it.

Same for murica, both countries are being forcibly dismantled from the top down.

 

[ForceFate]

War is big money for the US government. Biden and the democrats collapsed the economy and they are in dire need of money.

/Chuckles