US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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IndigoIdentity said:
We basically said the same thing just spelled differently. I never said that they have turned into capitalists, I said that they are now capitalists too.

The entire world is a a mix, one half is just a bit more socialist (or capitalist) than the other. And you're right, I guess that scares a lot of people too.
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Definitions matter. Being capitalistic does not mean you are a capitalist just like democratic does not mean you are a democrat.

Real capitalism does not have the level of state interference that socialist countries do. You don't get capitalist countries as far as I can tell, just capitalist zones.
 
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greg0205 said:
You of all people should know my opinion on Daddy Vladdy.... I mean it's not like we haven't been having a back and forth about it for years, is it?

He's the aggressor in this situation... Not Ukraine, not Nato, not the US.

Any war, which I believe you you detest, is on him and him alone.
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The USA are not the good guys either. They have openly backed far right groups and were caught talking about which candidate should be president. They have no business being there and are inflaming the situation in this area.

Next time be part of the entire discussion instead of coming in here clutching your pearls on page 69.
 
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Emjay said:
The USA are not the good guys either. They have openly backed far right groups.

Next time be part of the entire discussion instead of coming in here clutching your pearls on page 69.
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I don't think there exists such a thing as "the good guys"..... probably a major part of the problem.
 
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I don't think there exists such a thing as "the good guys"..... probably a major part of the problem.
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Thee are none, I agree. It's however laughable to me that people come in here and quote "US intelligence" and Western propaganda as the gospel truth.
 
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Emjay said:
The USA are not the good guys either. They have openly backed far right groups and were caught talking about which candidate should be president. They have no business being there and are inflaming the situation in this area.

Next time be part of the entire discussion instead of coming in here clutching your pearls on page 69.
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Fainting chairs? Smelling salts? Rent free?

If you're going to be returning fire with the same zingers I used on you all of those years ago, don't half-ass it, go all-in, damnit!
 
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Putin could have acted like the USA and invent some WMDs in Ukraine to serve as a pretext to invade Ukraine and kill a few million.

Putin could have acted like the USA and paint the Ukrainian leaders as fascist dictators (Neo Nazis apparently) that kill and oppress its own citizens and then get some terrorists (similar to ISIS) to destabilize Ukraine and gas some people.

Instead, Putin is now acting like the USA by using the USA's rhetoric of supporting freedom, democracy, and self-determination for oppressed people similar to other countries that had colour revolutions.

And now economic warfare will be unleashed on the Russians by the USA and its allies.
 
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Seven_Nine_Eight said:
Putin could have acted like the USA and invent some WMDs in Ukraine to serve as a pretext to invade Ukraine and kill a few million.

Putin could have acted like the USA and paint the Ukrainian leaders as fascist dictators (Neo Nazis apparently) that kill and oppress its own citizens and then get some terrorists (similar to ISIS) to destabilize Ukraine and gas some people.

Instead, Putin is now acting like the USA by using the USA's rhetoric of supporting freedom, democracy, and self-determination for oppressed people similar to other countries that had colour revolutions.

And now economic warfare will be unleashed on the Russians by the USA and its allies.
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Da tovarisch but what about the USA?
 
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konfab said:
I fully expect South Africa to follow suit.
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I don't have many expectations of the ANC government, but even I cannot imagine them doing that. Am bloody sure they won't criticize Russia but actively taking their side... :oops:
 
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I don't have many expectations of the ANC government, but even I cannot imagine them doing that. Am bloody sure they won't criticize Russia but actively taking their side... :oops:
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They were more on the side of Russia when it came to Crimea, communists stick together after all. Look where ANC politicians go when they are sick.
 
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Hitchens on point as usual
If the BBC found a group of neo-Nazis among some student Tories, or among Trump supporters in the USA, they would surely tell us about it, hot and strong.

Quite right too. In fact, the Corporation’s horror and disgust at such people is one of the few things I absolutely share with them.

So why did they last week repeatedly broadcast an entire news item, featuring a group of undoubted, shameless neo-Nazis, actually wearing SS insignia on their clothes – and not even notice?

The film starred a sweet old great-grandma, Valentina Konstaninovska, in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ranny-gets-gun-bunch-shameless-neo-Nazis.html
 
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I don't have many expectations of the ANC government, but even I cannot imagine them doing that. Am bloody sure they won't criticize Russia but actively taking their side... :oops:
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I would say it would entirely depend on whether their economic partners, collectively, aka BRICS would make this recognition. China doesn’t say anything, then the others won’t, and India is uncertain whether their allegiance lay to the East or the West. When China and Russia announced their great economic partnership, China didn’t weigh in on Ukraine, publicly, either Putin couldn’t broker that support with Jinping or China places greater emphasis on their own perceived disputed territories.

We, as in the state, support, Palestine, and its wider interests, as well as the collective AU agenda. Ukraine would be quite the bone to pick, since we rely on Western bones to supplement our shortcomings.

However, a certain political leader who believes to become president one day, have shown the Russians love, respect, appreciation, admiration… and I wouldn’t be surprised should the respective party release a statement showing their approval.
 
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