US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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rambo919 said:
Does the rock hate the ant it crushes?

Sometimes people just do things because they can. You don't need to hate someone to kill him.... he just needs to either have something you want or to be irritating in some way.

Hate implies you care enough about someone to bother to actively hate.... banal indifference is more often than not the cause of evil than hate. I think everyone focuses so much on projected hate out of fear and envy.... and as a way to make themselves feel better than insignificant in the face of a giant.
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Ah, but the rock is not at war with the ant. There would always be a cause involved in creating the effect, perhaps a stick fell from a tree, perhaps the wind blew too hard, perhaps there there was an earth tremor. Perhaps there was some other interference such as a person using it to kill the ant for whichever endless cycle of possible reasons exist.

There is a lot of variability in the cause of a result, there is also a clear difference between two things.

The result of war is more often than not a large scale loss of life and practically unknown numbers of permanent injuries of the individuals who have fought in them.

I find it hard to fathom the thought that the people that are killing themselves within a war are just simply indifferent to the facts. For every action there will always be reactions to them - even after many yearsdecades down the line. It's my own understanding that you would struggle to find individuals who have participated within a war that have not grown to hate their enemies, that is given did not hate the enemy to start out with.
 
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rambo919 said:
Among others.... Russia has actually been forced to be a frontline territory against multiple waves of Asian invasion from different groups.
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Among others?
What are you talking about?
West Eurasian Steppe is a geographic classification.
 
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IndigoIdentity said:
Ah, but the rock is not at war with the ant. There would always be a cause involved in creating the effect, perhaps a stick fell from a tree, perhaps the wind blew too hard, perhaps there there was an earth tremor. Perhaps there was some other interference such as a person using it to kill the ant for whichever endless cycle of possible reasons exist.

There is a lot of variability in the cause of a result, there is also a clear difference between two things.

The result of war is more often than not a large scale loss of life and practically unknown numbers of permanent injuries of the individuals who have fought in them.
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You are trying to force meaning upon something where it has no place. War is a fact of human nature, it happens the same way a tsunami hits. Actions might trigger a war but often the actual war hits decades or even centuries later.... no hate required.

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I find it hard to fathom the thought that the people that are killing themselves within a war are just simply indifferent to the facts. For every action there will always be reactions to them - even after many yearsdecades down the line. It's my own understanding that you would struggle to find individuals who have participated within a war that have not grown to hate their enemies, that is given did not hate the enemy to start out with.
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And yet many veterans have no hate for the enemy and are on friendly terms with them not only after but during the war. Most people don't fight because they want to, they fight because circumstances force them to.
 
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The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Finally ze Germans have come to the party:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496077887996366849

Been a bit suspicious of Germany and France over this episode...
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Speaking of Germany.

I have not watched the whole thing but it gives some fair insight on the half I did. It gives more an account on the policies that developed after the Berlin Wall came down and the attitudes of those in power both Russia and the US would formed the backbone for those policies and how they have changed over time.

Edit: I think the point, or at least what I am gathering here is that this conflict, although about territories and power, is also about an attitude towards each other. An attitude of the "bearded old men" who want to keep kicking the can of conflict down the road; the attitudes in both those powers that sit inside the basement and attics of both Kremlin and Washington.

 
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IndigoIdentity said:
I find it hard to fathom the thought that the people that are killing themselves within a war are just simply indifferent to the facts. For every action there will always be reactions to them - even after many yearsdecades down the line. It's my own understanding that you would struggle to find individuals who have participated within a war that have not grown to hate their enemies, that is given did not hate the enemy to start out with.
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The most common motivation I have read in war memoirs on why soldiers choose to fight and kill is not out of hatred, it's to protect the men on either side of them. Sure some do grow to hate but most soldiers act out of necessity, kill or be killed, fight for the men around you rather than fight again the enemy or for their superiors.

Acts like the WW1 Christmas armistice and football match showed exactly what many front-line troops thought of their enemy (such acts were frowned upon and later discouraged by the higher-ups on both sides.).
 
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rambo919 said:
You are trying to force meaning upon something where it has no place. War is a fact of human nature, it happens the same way a tsunami hits. Actions might trigger a war but often the actual war hits decades or even centuries later.... no hate required.


And yet many veterans have no hate for the enemy and are on friendly terms with them not only after but during the war. Most people don't fight because they want to, they fight because circumstances force them to.
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Self: The result of war is blah
Rambo: No it's not, the cause of war blah

Gotcha...
 
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Polymathic said:
Among others?
What are you talking about?
West Eurasian Steppe is a geographic classification.
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The Eastern Steppe as well as North Asia also had invading hordes spawn from it.... just not always directly from the location as with the Turks for example.

Basically every part except Southern of Asia seems to at one point or another have overrun or almost overrun Russia

EDIT: as an aside, it seems that most of Eastern Europe in general are of mixed Central Asian descent because of these repeated invasions..... white supremacy must be difficult there.
 
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rvZA said:
What fckn WW3?
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May turn out to be nothing, but Russia would not be doing this if they did not feel very confident. If NATO countries join forces then Russia will depend on non-Nato forces. I just can't see how they are attempting doing what they are doing if they do not already have some plan of action and expected allies.
 
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Good, hopefully it will wipe out most of the wokes and and the lot whos feelings get hurt by everything that does not suit them.
 
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Could there a more obvious Russian troll than the one who's posting in here today?
 
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