US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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MrGray

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May turn out to be nothing, but Russia would not be doing this if they did not feel very confident. If NATO countries join forces then Russia will depend on non-Nato forces. I just can't see how they are attempting doing what they are doing if they do not already have some plan of action and expected allies.
I doubt that the NATO countries have the stomach for directly committing ground forces to this. All the bordering European countries rely on those gas pipelines anyway and won't want to rock the cart too much. They will make noises about sanctions and fight proxy battles by supporting militias but that will be the limit of it (for now).
 

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You need to drink later in the day, you are blahing too early.
Aye, need some Vodka.

Edit: Anyways, I don't think that I really had debated on what you were saying more than that there is a difference involved based on my own understanding. If I am wrong about how I understand things then that is what it is, I only have my own personal experiences to go off of.

I've never been in a war, I know few people who have been though. Do I want to experience a war? F**k no... That really doesn't sound very pleasant at all to me. I can imagine that one would have to be forced into such a position to be able to participate but then again, there are all kinds of folks and different lengths of wiring, etc. Not everyone is the same, some people might be indifferent or see things differently.
 

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If they can just hold off a little, please. I'd like to upgrade my GPU some time this century. Can't imagine what ww3 will do to already high pricing.
 

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I doubt that the NATO countries have the stomach for directly committing ground forces to this. All the bordering European countries rely on those gas pipelines anyway and won't want to rock the cart too much. They will make noises about sanctions and fight proxy battles by supporting militias but that will be the limit of it (for now).
I hope you are right.
 

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I doubt that the NATO countries have the stomach for directly committing ground forces to this. All the bordering European countries rely on those gas pipelines anyway and won't want to rock the cart too much. They will make noises about sanctions and fight proxy battles by supporting militias but that will be the limit of it (for now).

Germans have suspended the operating licence for NS2.
 

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Sounds like you fall into the hurt feelings category
Big talk while you are hiding in your safe space. I have friends on both sides of the conflict and you start off with "Good, hopefully it will wipe out..."
 

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Yeah, no. NATO is currently split. A lot of those countries, especially Germany, relies on Gas from Russia and also other sources in the region. This is a fake united front between them and I do not think a single one of these countries will be willing to commit to warfare against Russia, which will definitely involve a nuclear war if it ever comes to that. WW3 is not going to happen. They will allow Russia to continue taking what it wants and try to solve this, or prevent Russia from taking any EU countries, diplomatically.
 

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Whelp... we had to use all those nukes at some point, no good having them sit around doing nothing.
 

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So it has been declared a war? not just foreplay?
Lets me wonder, those that lived during the whole appeasement of Hitler drama, did they also have to endure these sort of preludes we getting bombarded ...get on with it already
We are at the part where Hitler takes over Austria.... next is Czechoslovakia, then Poland... thats when WW2 was officially started.
 

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How countries around the world are reacting to Russia's actions in eastern Ukraine​

Germany: German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stopped the progression of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline following Moscow’s actions in eastern Ukraine. The pipeline, which would have increased European reliance on energy from Russia, has been a major source of contention in Europe and the United States for years. Without undergoing the certification or approval process, the pipeline cannot start running.
United Kingdom: Prime Minister Boris Johnson has unveiled the "first tranche" of British sanctions on Russia, condemning Vladimir Putin's Ukraine aggression. The UK will sanction five Russian banks and three "very high net worth" individuals, Johnson said in Parliament.
"What (Putin) is doing is going to be a disaster for Russia," he said, predicting "pariah status" for the nation if it continues to further invade Ukraine.
European Union: The European Commission proposed sanctions to EU members states and placed a particular emphasis that would mirror sanctions taken in Crimea after the 2014 annexation by Moscow. Sources say US and European officials have been in intense discussions over the several past hours over how to proceed with additional sanctions against Russia.
United States: After its first set of announced sanctions on Monday, the White House has said it will impose additional "significant" sanctions on Tuesday. Monday's sanctions were cautious in nature and Tuesday's sanctions are expected to go further but it will not be the full blow that the US has previewed, pending "further actions" by Russia.
Turkey: President Recep Tayyip Erdogan denounced Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to recognize breakaway eastern Ukrainian territories, calling it “unacceptable," and saying it is contrary to the Minsk Agreements.
China: China's Foreign Ministry evaded more than a dozen questions on Ukraine in its daily briefing on Tuesday. In his responses, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin reiterated that any country’s “legitimate security concerns should be respected” and urged all parties to "exercise restraint.” Beijing is navigating a complex position as it attempts to balance deepening ties with Moscow with its practiced foreign policy of staunchly defending state sovereignty.

 

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The Eastern Steppe as well as North Asia also had invading hordes spawn from it.... just not always directly from the location as with the Turks for example.

Basically every part except Southern of Asia seems to at one point or another have overrun or almost overrun Russia

EDIT: as an aside, it seems that most of Eastern Europe in general are of mixed Central Asian descent because of these repeated invasions..... white supremacy must be difficult there.
Race is a social construct, so if they believe that they white and other people around them also believe that they are white then they are white.

back on topic though, has Russia defined the borders of the regions that they recognise as Republics now?
 

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How countries around the world are reacting to Russia's actions in eastern Ukraine​

Germany: German Chancellor Olaf Scholz stopped the progression of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline following Moscow’s actions in eastern Ukraine. The pipeline, which would have increased European reliance on energy from Russia, has been a major source of contention in Europe and the United States for years. Without undergoing the certification or approval process, the pipeline cannot start running.
United Kingdom: Prime Minister Boris Johnson has unveiled the "first tranche" of British sanctions on Russia, condemning Vladimir Putin's Ukraine aggression. The UK will sanction five Russian banks and three "very high net worth" individuals, Johnson said in Parliament.
"What (Putin) is doing is going to be a disaster for Russia," he said, predicting "pariah status" for the nation if it continues to further invade Ukraine.
European Union: The European Commission proposed sanctions to EU members states and placed a particular emphasis that would mirror sanctions taken in Crimea after the 2014 annexation by Moscow. Sources say US and European officials have been in intense discussions over the several past hours over how to proceed with additional sanctions against Russia.
United States: After its first set of announced sanctions on Monday, the White House has said it will impose additional "significant" sanctions on Tuesday. Monday's sanctions were cautious in nature and Tuesday's sanctions are expected to go further but it will not be the full blow that the US has previewed, pending "further actions" by Russia.
Turkey: President Recep Tayyip Erdogan denounced Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to recognize breakaway eastern Ukrainian territories, calling it “unacceptable," and saying it is contrary to the Minsk Agreements.
China: China's Foreign Ministry evaded more than a dozen questions on Ukraine in its daily briefing on Tuesday. In his responses, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin reiterated that any country’s “legitimate security concerns should be respected” and urged all parties to "exercise restraint.” Beijing is navigating a complex position as it attempts to balance deepening ties with Moscow with its practiced foreign policy of staunchly defending state sovereignty.


LOL... CNN
 

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China: China's Foreign Ministry evaded more than a dozen questions on Ukraine in its daily briefing on Tuesday. In his responses, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin reiterated that any country’s “legitimate security concerns should be respected” and urged all parties to "exercise restraint.” Beijing is navigating a complex position as it attempts to balance deepening ties with Moscow with its practiced foreign policy of staunchly defending state sovereignty.
China + Russia together stronger military than U.S., but not stronger than all NATO combined.
 

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Liberty need to pull Sochi from the F1 calendar too.
:ROFL: F1 goes where the money is, you think morals come into play with so many events in Sharia law countries where women aren't allowed to drive / vote / wear clothes other than ninja suits?
 
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