US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Pudding McTwinkle]

Way fewer blondes in Eastern Europe than one would expect.

They are great when they are young, but when they hit forty it's downhill. I've observed this phenonium in a number of eastern European countries I've had the privilege to visit.

 

[etienne_marais]

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has issued an order to halt the process of certifying the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. Well. Welcome to the brave new world where Europeans are very soon going to pay €2.000 for 1.000 cubic meters of natural gas,” Medvedev tweeted.

February 22, 2022 Ukraine-Russia crisis news

Tensions between Moscow and Kyiv are at their highest in years, with Russian President Vladimir Putin signing decrees recognizing two separatist pro-Moscow regions in Ukraine as independent, a provocative move as fears of an invasion mount. Follow here for the latest news updates.

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[thestaggy]

It's clear what is happening, Russia is supporting the breakup of previously Russian territories so that they can eventually be integrated back into a modern Russian empire.... this is realpolitik, Russia doing what is best for Russia.

@thestaggy is not pretending anything as far as I can see.... he is simply using the long view of history. How right or wrong it is for the large part is simply irrelevant, it's happening and nothing is going to stop it.

I definitely believe there is a pattern of behaviour with the way Moscow views it's ''historical lands''.

See the Baltic States post-collapse of the Empire. All three declared independence and successfully fought wars of independence when Soviet Russia attempted to retake them. The Soviet Union agreed to permanently give up claims to Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania when they failed to retake them, only to renege on that in the opening months of WW2.

Much like the Russian Federation acknowledging Ukrainian sovereignty and Ukrainian sovereignty over Crimea post-collapse of the USSR and well, we can see how that went.

 

[etienne_marais]

Global markets tumbled and crude oil prices surged to $99 per barrel on Tuesday after Russia ordered troops into parts of eastern Ukraine.

Wall Street also headed lower as traders returned from the holiday weekend.

• The Dow dropped about 200 points, or 0.6%.
• The S&P 500 was down 0.4%.
• The Nasdaq shed 0.7%.

February 22, 2022 Ukraine-Russia crisis news

Tensions between Moscow and Kyiv are at their highest in years, with Russian President Vladimir Putin signing decrees recognizing two separatist pro-Moscow regions in Ukraine as independent, a provocative move as fears of an invasion mount. Follow here for the latest news updates.

edition.cnn.com

 

[thestaggy]

Putin could have acted like the USA and invent some WMDs in Ukraine to serve as a pretext to invade Ukraine and kill a few million.

Putin could have acted like the USA and paint the Ukrainian leaders as fascist dictators (Neo Nazis apparently) that kill and oppress its own citizens and then get some terrorists (similar to ISIS) to destabilize Ukraine and gas some people.

Instead, Putin is now acting like the USA by using the USA's rhetoric of supporting freedom, democracy, and self-determination for oppressed people similar to other countries that had colour revolutions.

And now economic warfare will be unleashed on the Russians by the USA and its allies.

He is using genocide and alleged war crimes as a pretext to enter the breakaway regions in order to ''protect'' them.

 

[daveza]

Here we are in the 21st century, and some twats still think it's okay to colonise another country.

 

[Lupus]

Here we are in the 21st century, and some twats still think it's okay to colonise another country.

To be fair what is a country really? Man made set of borders.

 

[etienne_marais]

Here we are in the 21st century, and some twats still think it's okay to colonise another country.

To be fair, the rebel regions want to breakaway from the Ukraine and Putin recognized them and wants to absorb them. Russia does not want to colonize the Ukraine.

 

[thestaggy]

that's an annual event, not an aggression

NATO has been doing drills in Latvia (i.e. directly on Russia's border) annually for years as well ... and they started it by expanding east in the first place

Have you heard of the Vienna Document? Signatories in Europe - and Russia is one of them - agreed to be transparent with regards to their militaries, culminating in countries being allowed to inspect the militaries of their neighbours and indeed request further information regards military affairs.

Russia was allowed to inspect Latvia's military last year when they were conducting drills. When Latvia were set to visit Russia and observe their military exercise, they were denied under the pretext of Covid (Covid didn't halt the ongoing drills, btw).

 

[etienne_marais]

Seems the $99 oil price is out of context and fear mongering, it had a recent peak on 14/2 and has been climbing anyway.



10 January 2022 to today.


26 August 2021 to today



July 2016 to today

 

[yebocan]

We are at the part where Hitler takes over Austria.... next is Czechoslovakia, then Poland... thats when WW2 was officially started.

and all before that mess, there was a pandemic as well... "all this has happened before and will happen again, again,..again...."

 

[Polymathic]

They are great when they are young, but when they hit forty it's downhill. I've observed this phenonium in a number of eastern European countries I've had the privilege to visit.

Babushkas

 

[Magnum]

quick!

 

[etienne_marais]

and all before that mess, there was a pandemic as well... "all this has happened before and will happen again, again,..again...."

Indeed, WWI was called the war to end all wars, hmm.

Still personally I believe WW III is going to be the last one, whether from Ukraine or something much later.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

 

[cavedog]

So when it comes to picking a side will SA pick Russia because of BRICS not that SA will get involved I think.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Have you heard of the Vienna Document? Signatories in Europe - and Russia is one of them - agreed to be transparent with regards to their militaries, culminating in countries being allowed to inspect the militaries of their neighbours and indeed request further information regards military affairs.

Russia was allowed to inspect Latvia's military last year when they were conducting drills. When Latvia were set to visit Russia and observe their military exercise, they were denied under the pretext of Covid (Covid didn't halt the ongoing drills, btw).

sounds like a simple calculation:

who gains most from inspecting who's army?

I'm of course making assumptions, but I know Russia does not fear Latvia's armed forces for even a millisecond without the full force of NATO present, there is no reason to inspect anything that you can annihilate in an afternoon

Latvia therefor has an outsized advantage in inspecting a much more substantial military, with Russia risking revelations it may prefer to keep hidden

sounds like a shrewd move, perhaps not in keeping with signed agreements, but nothing as significant as NATO telling the Soviet Union it won't expand eastwards ...

 

[etienne_marais]

So when it comes to picking a side will SA pick Russia because of BRICS not that SA will get involved I think.

If China should get involved I think the chances are stronger that SA (or ANC SA) will side with Russia. But anything is possible.

 

[Emjay]

I thought the US embassy meme was funny, actually.

I take it you don't, so maybe refer back to what I said about a trolling potus, huh?

Do you find those same juxtapositions between pre and post apartheid South Africa just as funny?

 

[Drifter]

Soon as the Winter Olympics were done ....

That was yesterday.