US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[etienne_marais]

So is there any proof that for Putin it is about the gaslines and/or imperialism and not just a matter of granting the wish of the pro-Russian separatists ? He did annex Crimea in 2014 though "According to official Russian and Crimean sources 95% voted to reunite with Russia. The legitimacy of the referendum has been questioned by the international community on both legal and procedural grounds."

 

[GhostSixFour]

Fun fact, that picture was taken shortly after Naledi was asked to locate Ukraine on a map..

 

[Gyre]

Do you find those same juxtapositions between pre and post apartheid South Africa just as funny?

Someone's funny bone is broken, just a few years ago it was all clown world and honk honk.

 

[Fulcrum29]

"We are calling for the same approach in the Ukraine-Russia tension that is clearly being exploited by those hostile to Russia for purposes of once again unjustifiably extending spheres of influence. We urge calm and restraint... threats and posturing will not resolve the current tensions."

We have taken a side, damning the US and NATO as hostile parties, clearly, that is what is being insinuated, no?

I have to put it to Pandor, Russia deploying 'peacekeeping' forces by mandate to self classed breakaway territories within Ukraine are also Russia, unjustifiably, extending its spheres of influence.

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

If China should get involved I think the chances are stronger that SA (or ANC SA) will side with Russia. But anything is possible.

China are seemingly sitting on the sidelines looking in.

I think China are torn because as much as they may want to the opportunity to build a relationship with Russia over this, both the EU and USA are huge consumers of Chinese goods - great for their economy.

IMHO - the China take is more interesting than the Russia / Ukraine conflict.

Edit: Yes, I think SA will follow their Chinese masters

 

[Herr der Verboten]

China are seemingly sitting on the sidelines looking in.

I think China are torn because as much as they may want to the opportunity to build a relationship with Russia over this, both the EU and USA are huge consumers of Chinese goods - great for their economy.

IMHO - the China take is more interesting than the Russia / Ukraine conflict.

Edit: Yes, I think SA will follow their Chinese masters

Suicide N1 meerkat drivers will work wonders. Or just send the DBN looters.

 

[rietrot]

We have taken a side, damning the US and NATO as hostile parties, clearly, that is what is being insinuated, no?

I have to put it to Pandor, Russia deploying 'peacekeeping' forces by mandate to self classed breakaway territories within Ukraine are also Russia, unjustifiably, extending its spheres of influence.

That's already their sphere of influence.

 

[Unhappy438]

Putinbots can't handle jokes, it breaks their script.

 

[Polymathic]

US could give some drones to the Ukrainian government and send in dual nationality Ukrainian/American pilots to pilot them. If they have any of them.

 

[flytek]

We have taken a side, damning the US and NATO as hostile parties, clearly, that is what is being insinuated, no?

I have to put it to Pandor, Russia deploying 'peacekeeping' forces by mandate to self classed breakaway territories within Ukraine are also Russia, unjustifiably, extending its spheres of influence.

Ukraine and the west have had 7 years to implement the terms of their defeat in 2015. They never did because they didn't want the Russian supporting voters back in Ukraine nor do they want peace with Russia.
They asked for trouble and finally recieved it.
Well a little more of it...after Crimea ..

 

[Fulcrum29]

That's already their sphere of influence.

Through proxy, yes, but otherwise adherence to the Minsk accords applied, which has now been made null and void by Russian mandate. The peace deal was anyway loosely interpreted by its respective parties. Russia having now announced a peacekeeping troop deployment to these territories will allow them a logistical set-up within these borders.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Ukraine and the west have had 7 years to implement the terms of their defeat in 2015.

You lost me with that sentence. Do you know who signed the Minsk I protocol, and what the 12 points stipulated? That the Minsk II protocol was signed by the same signatories, and what the new protocols stipulated?

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Edit: I think the point, or at least what I am gathering here is that this conflict, although about territories and power, is also about an attitude towards each other. An attitude of the "bearded old men" who want to keep kicking the can of conflict down the road; the attitudes in both those powers that sit inside the basement and attics of both Kremlin and Washington.

Jokes aside, when you take it all into perspective it does make sense.

 

[rambo919]

Race is a social construct, so if they believe that they white and other people around them also believe that they are white then they are white.

Yeah that's complete leftist BS that anyone sane with any grasp of genetics (nvm history) completely throws out the window.

back on topic though, has Russia defined the borders of the regions that they recognise as Republics now?

History in general and especially the fall of the USSR has defined it, the Russians had no choice but to accept.

 

[konfab]

Europe gas goes to even higher record prices, good job Europe

I don't think you quite realise who holds the cards with Europe's energy problem

I bet Germany is happy that they shut down perfectly functioning nuclear reactors so that they can be dependent on Russia.

 

[konfab]

We have taken a side, damning the US and NATO as hostile parties, clearly, that is what is being insinuated, no?

I have to put it to Pandor, Russia deploying 'peacekeeping' forces by mandate to self classed breakaway territories within Ukraine are also Russia, unjustifiably, extending its spheres of influence.

The US now just needs to put some peacekeeping forces into the newly declared Cape Republic.

 

[Lupus]

Seems the $99 oil price is out of context and fear mongering, it had a recent peak on 14/2 and has been climbing anyway.

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It did hit 99 dollars, also for us it'll mean more fuel hikes, cause for some reason we need to track it monthly even when we had refineries

 

[rambo919]

I definitely believe there is a pattern of behaviour with the way Moscow views it's ''historical lands''.

Probably goes back the the very start where Moscow became the centre of Russia instead of Kiev (if I remember that part correctly)..... Similar to Japan's switch from Kyoto to Tokyo.

It's odd how a capital shift can define the future nature of a country.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

We have taken a side, damning the US and NATO as hostile parties, clearly, that is what is being insinuated, no?

I have to put it to Pandor, Russia deploying 'peacekeeping' forces by mandate to self classed breakaway territories within Ukraine are also Russia, unjustifiably, extending its spheres of influence.

Ah, that was done decades ago.

 

[Crayons]

That's already their sphere of influence.

She so fat she has her own sphere of influence