US Election 2020 - Lame duck days

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Special song for the MyBB Trumptards.

Desperado, why don't you come to your senses

NOOOOOOO... that's a nice song! The morons can't have it!
PS ..or Pretzel Logic either.

 

[Gnarls]

I mean its like you an Gnarls about the "statistical anomalies".

You allege there are anomalies. When asked why these so called obvious anomalies have not yet been presented in court yet, the answer is, well it takes time to process the data.

Fair enough ... but how do you know there are anomalies, if the data is still being processed?

If the data is still being processed, how can you possibly know there is an anomaly, if you have no data showing the anomaly?

If you can, as you claim to see the anomaly, then you have the data. So why has it not been presented in court yet?

Pretzel logic.

That is why many of the court cases have failed.

Keeps contradicting himself but feels qualified to lecture me on pretzel logic. My position is as consistent as it always was, I'll wait and see.

 

[AfricanTech]

Unless you have a legal qualification from the USA, relevant to the matter, you are ignorant.

Admitting ignorance and trusting expert opinion is why pilots fly planes and surgeons do surgery, instead of someone who used google.

There has been a concerted attack on 'expertise' over the past few years (and I'm not referring to Trump) - it's a disease incubated and abetted on Social Media platforms ie not admitting ignorance and not trusting experts

 

[AfricanTech]

Lovely to see one of the unofficial arms of the Democratic Party collapsing due to all the usual issues in grassroots organisations - a lust for power, gobbling up resources & money etc. Of course, the chief organisers have largely stolen all the money, you didn't really expect all the money donated to actually go to the grassroots organisations?

Black Lives Matter power grab sets off internal revolt

At issue is whether grassroots energy can translate to influence inside the Beltway — and at what cost.

www.politico.com

Warms my heart when I see charlatans and thieves from every point on the spectrum being exposed.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

There has been a concerted attack on 'expertise' over the past few years (and I'm not referring to Trump) - it's a disease incubated and abetted on Social Media platforms ie not admitting ignorance and not trusting experts

May I suggest this book? Very good, although I also have a problem with "experts" who think they are experts on every subject under the sun even if they are only usually expert in a niche field (e.g. you might be a maths whizz but it doesn't mean you have a good understanding of politics). My scepticism of experts has also greatly increased over covid-19 with their nonsensical modelling that vastly overestimated deaths. It's a prescient book (written before Trump was elected), however, one aspect he doesn't dwell on is that lots of intelligent people look down on others (especially in the US) which is then translated into a sort of anti-intellectual movement.

The Death Of Expertise

The rise of the internet and other technology has made information more easily-accessible than ever before. While this has had the positi...

www.goodreads.com

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

There has been a concerted attack on 'expertise' over the past few years (and I'm not referring to Trump) - it's a disease incubated and abetted on Social Media platforms ie not admitting ignorance and not trusting experts

Couldn't agree more.
It's painful seeing the basically stupid believing their opinion, often based upon YouTube videos from random psychos, is on a par with people who have given years of their life and considerable intelligence to their area of expertise.
I think Heinlein predicted something like this - when the lower end of the intelligence spectrum comes to think of itself as "just as good as anybody else".
There's a mass of evidence for this in this thread alone.

 

[TysonRoux]

Melania Trump’s Request for Taxpayer Funds May Hint at Donald Trump Divorce​

Melania Trump's Request for Taxpayer Funds May Hint at Donald Trump Divorce

Melania is asking around for taxpayer funds for her post-White House life.

www.sheknows.com

Melania Trump has made me genuinely speechless, and no, I’m not talking about a third round of Christmas decorations. According to CNN, the First Lady has been keeping very busy making plans for her exit from the White House, and that’s included seeing about who exactly will be funding this next chapter of her life. If you’re thinking “why isn’t Donald Trump funding her next chapter,” you are not alone, but we do have a strong hint of where Melania does think her funding might be coming from. Melania inquired — or rather, had her aide inquire — into whether there was taxpayer money allocated to former first ladies to fund their post-White House lives. Breathe easy: the answer is no. But this staggering request did set off the question of why Melania may be making separate financial arrangements, and whether this should be taken as a hint that her (much-speculated) plans to divorce Donald Trump will go forward in the months to come.


There are a few details to this story that suggest Melania may be picturing a future without Donald. For one thing, sources say that Melania’s request about taxpayer money took place just a few days after the final state tally, well before her husband had started accepting defeat.

“She just wants to go home,” one source told CNN, adding that a 2024 run “might not go over well.”

“After it became clear Trump would need to prep for her life after Washington,” writes CNN‘s Kate Bennett, “the first lady told [special adviser Marcia Lee] Kelly to discreetly ask West Wing acquaintances and a member of the Office of Management and Budget whether there were taxpayer funds allocated to former first ladies, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.”

“The short answer is no,” Bennett continues. “While there are post-presidential perks for such things for the outgoing commander in chief, budgets to set up an official office and staff and cover some travel costs, there is nothing from the government for any first lady, save a paltry $20,000-a-year pension, which is paid out only if her husband dies.”

 

[RanzB]

Apparently Trump asked Ted Cruz to present arguments in the Texas lawsuit if it goes to the Supreme Court, and Cruz agreed.

Imagine being such a cuck that you go to bat for man who said - among other things - the following:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/698115252844634112

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/702640425623003136

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/712850174838771712

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/727634574298255361

 

[Cray]

Imagine being such a cuck that you go to bat for man who said - among other things - the following:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/698115252844634112

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/702640425623003136

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/712850174838771712

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/727634574298255361

It's like the whole GOP is suffering from Stockholm syndrome.

 

[InfrastructureBilPage2700]

COVID really needs to step up it's game if the left still plans on trying to lock down the world because of it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1337011946953072641

 

[lumeer]

COVID really needs to step up it's game if the left still plans on trying to lock down the world because of it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1337011946953072641

Are 1.5 million deaths not enough for you? Covid is currently the number 1 killer in America, ahead of cancer, heart attacks, etc.

 

[konfab]

Unless you have a legal qualification from the USA, relevant to the matter, you are ignorant.

People can still read a court judgement and make an opinion about it and post it here, it won't matter but it doesn't need to as this is a South African tech forum, not the source of all legal decisions in the US.

There is a slight problem with this particular matter at the moment, as anyone, whether they actually make a qualified opinion about the election or not, will get their content banned from Youtube if they mention it.

Admitting ignorance and trusting expert opinion is why pilots fly planes and surgeons do surgery, instead of someone who used google.

I don't trust expert opinion. Experts, like every other human on the planet, have to earn their trust. I trust the evidence and logical process that is given to justify that opinion. Blindly trusting "experts" is exactly why you would be one of the people who would administer a lethal shock to someone in the Milgram experiment. The expert in the white labcoat would tell you to administer the shock and you would do it.

My B.S sensors go up when someone tries to justify something with one of the following: "trust me, I am a doctor", "trust me, I have 25 years of experience".

I had a lovely experience with the obgyn because she was someone who always referenced what the research said when I asked her a question.

 

[lumeer]

I don't trust expert opinion. Experts, like every other human on the planet, have to earn their trust. I trust the evidence and logical process that is given to justify that opinion.

How can a non-expert assess the evidence and logical processes that are employed by experts? Isn't that just the Dunning-Kruger effect?

 

[daveza]

Melania Trump’s Request for Taxpayer Funds May Hint at Donald Trump Divorce​

Melania Trump's Request for Taxpayer Funds May Hint at Donald Trump Divorce

Melania is asking around for taxpayer funds for her post-White House life.

www.sheknows.com

Melania Trump has made me genuinely speechless, and no, I’m not talking about a third round of Christmas decorations. According to CNN, the First Lady has been keeping very busy making plans for her exit from the White House, and that’s included seeing about who exactly will be funding this next chapter of her life. If you’re thinking “why isn’t Donald Trump funding her next chapter,” you are not alone, but we do have a strong hint of where Melania does think her funding might be coming from. Melania inquired — or rather, had her aide inquire — into whether there was taxpayer money allocated to former first ladies to fund their post-White House lives. Breathe easy: the answer is no. But this staggering request did set off the question of why Melania may be making separate financial arrangements, and whether this should be taken as a hint that her (much-speculated) plans to divorce Donald Trump will go forward in the months to come.


There are a few details to this story that suggest Melania may be picturing a future without Donald. For one thing, sources say that Melania’s request about taxpayer money took place just a few days after the final state tally, well before her husband had started accepting defeat.

“She just wants to go home,” one source told CNN, adding that a 2024 run “might not go over well.”

“After it became clear Trump would need to prep for her life after Washington,” writes CNN‘s Kate Bennett, “the first lady told [special adviser Marcia Lee] Kelly to discreetly ask West Wing acquaintances and a member of the Office of Management and Budget whether there were taxpayer funds allocated to former first ladies, according to two sources familiar with the discussions.”

“The short answer is no,” Bennett continues. “While there are post-presidential perks for such things for the outgoing commander in chief, budgets to set up an official office and staff and cover some travel costs, there is nothing from the government for any first lady, save a paltry $20,000-a-year pension, which is paid out only if her husband dies.”

^

Go and get a job at Wendy's or Starbucks.

 

[scudsucker]

There is a slight problem with this particular matter at the moment, as anyone, whether they actually make a qualified opinion about the election or not, will get their content banned from Youtube if they mention it.

But, Konfab... in your very own post complaining about Youtube banning content you posted...

... a working, unbanned Youtube link

Also apparently you trust whatever dodgy tweet told you that Youtube was going to ban content "whether they actually make a qualified opinion about the election or not" so how does that square with your trust issues?




EDIT - I can't wait for tag-team Xarog to start complaining about konfab's 'skeptardism'....

 

[konfab]

Are 1.5 million deaths not enough for you? Covid is currently the number 1 killer in America, ahead of cancer, heart attacks, etc.

You are talking complete B.S

1) Around the world:

Heart disease has remained the leading cause of death at the global level for the last 20 years. However, it is now killing more people than ever before. The number of deaths from heart disease increased by more than 2 million since 2000, to nearly 9 million in 2019. Heart disease now represents 16% of total deaths from all causes. More than half of the 2 million additional deaths were in the WHO Western Pacific region. Conversely, the European region has seen a relative decline in heart disease, with deaths falling by 15% [1].
https://www.who.int/news/item/09-12...s-of-death-and-disability-worldwide-2000-2019

Heart diseased killed 9 million in 2019. Covid 19 has just topped 1.5. So you are flat out wrong there.

2) In the US:
In 2018 the following breakdown of cause of death were:

• Heart disease: 655,381
• Cancer: 599,274
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 167,127
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 159,486
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 147,810
• Alzheimer’s disease: 122,019
• Diabetes: 84,946
• Influenza and pneumonia: 59,120
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,386
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 48,344

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

Heart disease and cancer are slowly climbing, but they shouldn't change that much in two years.
This if your statement was correct, covid would have had to kill more than 656 000 people in the US.

 

[DreamKing]

Are 1.5 million deaths not enough for you? Covid is currently the number 1 killer in America, ahead of cancer, heart attacks, etc.

that is fake, trump killed those people? or biden in power that would no one die for it? don't spread fake news.

 

[konfab]

But, Konfab... in your very own post complaining about Youtube banning content you posted...

This is what they said:

Yesterday was the safe harbor deadline for the U.S. Presidential election and enough states have certified their election results to determine a President-elect. Given that, we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today (or anytime after) that misleads people by alleging that widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, in line with our approach towards historical U.S. Presidential elections. For example, we will remove videos claiming that a Presidential candidate won the election due to widespread software glitches or counting errors. We will begin enforcing this policy today, and will ramp up in the weeks to come. As always, news coverage and commentary on these issues can remain on our site if there’s sufficient education, documentary, scientific or artistic context.

https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/supporting-the-2020-us-election

If the lawyers doing the Texas case made a Youtube video going through their case, it could very well be construed by Youtube as "misleading" people. That isn't commentary or news coverage, that is the legal opinion of someone. Which is not covered by that pathetic cop-out.

This isn't a good policy. If you are worried about people making bad arguments about the election, the solution is to make batter arguments. This is will simply backfire.

 

[lumeer]

You are talking complete B.S

1) Around the world:


Heart diseased killed 9 million in 2019. Covid 19 has just topped 1.5. So you are flat out wrong there.

2) In the US:
In 2018 the following breakdown of cause of death were:


Heart disease and cancer are slowly climbing, but they shouldn't change that much in two years.
This if your statement was correct, covid would have had to kill more than 656 000 people in the US.

Over the past week, more Americans have died each day from Covid than from any other cause. I stand by my statement.

 

[buka001]

People can still read a court judgement and make an opinion about it and post it here, it won't matter but it doesn't need to as this is a South African tech forum, not the source of all legal decisions in the US.

There is a slight problem with this particular matter at the moment, as anyone, whether they actually make a qualified opinion about the election or not, will get their content banned from Youtube if they mention it.

I don't trust expert opinion. Experts, like every other human on the planet, have to earn their trust. I trust the evidence and logical process that is given to justify that opinion. Blindly trusting "experts" is exactly why you would be one of the people who would administer a lethal shock to someone in the Milgram experiment. The expert in the white labcoat would tell you to administer the shock and you would do it.

My B.S sensors go up when someone tries to justify something with one of the following: "trust me, I am a doctor", "trust me, I have 25 years of experience".

I had a lovely experience with the obgyn because she was someone who always referenced what the research said when I asked her a question.

Cool, I am sure you will gladly board a plane with a pilot, who has never flown before and has only ever driven a bicycle.