US Election 2020 - Pt 2

[TysonRoux]

From your own source:

Don't feed the Xarog troll, ........all its good for is pigeon chess.

 

[jack_spratt]

I enjoyed Bidens 15 second acceptance speech at DNC.

 

[TysonRoux]

Looks like his bimbo has had enough

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1295754414360268800

 

[Gnarls]

Ah yes, and conveniently you determine the political opinions you dislike to be harmful. Notice, however, that political opinion isn't actually one of the "common limitations" in the list. However, Marxists typically feel no qualms about trying to silence their political opponents.

So if the shoe fits...

Totally not gaslighting.

/s

 

[C4Cat]

I see your quoted tweet and I raise you with this one.

Where are the libertarians?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1296092859226042368

They're elsewhere complaining about 'cancel culture'

 

[boramk]

Another marxist happy for a company to tell them what their beliefs should be.

I mean, let the free markets decide who works where?

Companies like Salesforce or Patagonia don't hide the fact that they are very liberal - in fact that is what attracts so many liberals to those companies. There are conservative companies as well like the Hobby Lobby and the same applies.

Same with products - if Goodyear bothers you, don't get their tires. Same with Goya Beans.

Regardless, the president shouldn't be interjecting for Goya or against Goodyear. And if you're defending that it's just the most asinine hill to die on because you know for a fact if Obama did the same you'd be sounding the alarm and not saying "its his opinion".

 

[TysonRoux]

They're elsewhere complaining about 'cancel culture'

‘Don’t buy Goodyear’: Trump uses the ‘cancel culture’ he once denounced - National | Globalnews.ca

Donald Trump urged his followers to boycott Goodyear Tire, one month after describing cancel culture as 'completely alien to our culture.'

globalnews.ca

Trump 'cancels' Goodyear tires as he campaigns against 'cancel culture'

President Donald Trump is calling on his followers to not buy Goodyear tires and threatening to remove them from his custom presidential limousine, despite previously railing against "cancel culture," after an employee posted a viral photo of a company policy banning "Make America Great Again"...

www.cnn.com

 

[CaptainOblivious]

I mean, let the free markets decide who works where?

It is disingenuous to think that Goodyear came to this idea on their own and that it wasn't part of a larger social movement pushing this woke ideological nonsense.

Companies like Salesforce or Patagonia don't hide the fact that they are very liberal - in fact that is what attracts so many liberals to those companies. There are conservative companies as well like the Hobby Lobby and the same applies.

Same with products - if Goodyear bothers you, don't get their tires. Same with Goya Beans.

Regardless, the president shouldn't be interjecting for Goya or against Goodyear. And if you're defending that it's just the most asinine hill to die on because you know for a fact if Obama did the same you'd be sounding the alarm and not saying "its his opinion".

What is asinine is to think that you can have a functional democracy in a climate where there is a widespread fear of people expressing their political views. But of course, the free market is everything, right?

 

[boramk]

It is disingenuous to think that Goodyear came to this idea on their own and that it wasn't part of a larger social movement pushing this woke ideological nonsense.

I'm sorry, are you upset that a company made an independent decision? Were you in the meeting where these supposed "woke actors" were? Because random people go into board meetings all the time pushing ideologies.

So are you for capitalism or not? I'm getting confused - because if you are for it, you should be ok with companies taking political stances even if YOU don't agree with them.

What is asinine is to think that you can have a functional democracy in a climate where there is a widespread fear of people expressing their political views. But of course, the free market is everything, right?

I don't know man, you and many other express your political views just fine. I don't get this persecution complex. If YOU don't like what your company stands for, then leave. If you don't and it's for the money, or the other option is worse off for you, then you stay. Free markets buddy, it's great.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

I'm sorry, are you upset that a company made an independent decision? Were you in the meeting where these supposed "woke actors" were? Because random people go into board meetings all the time pushing ideologies.

Generally if you see the same constellation of ideas present themselves as a coherent group wherever they go, then you can actually identify the constellation itself as part of a broader movement.

So are you for capitalism or not? I'm getting confused - because if you are for it, you should be ok with companies taking political stances even if YOU don't agree with them.

I am broadly in favour of the rule of law and the system of principles that makes such a system possible. I consider an informed electorate to be a necessary part of that system, which means that the right to political free expression must be protected, and if indeed a situation comes about where the majority become fearful of expressing their political views, it actually becomes imcumbent upon the state to actively rectify the situation.

I don't know man, you and many other express your political views just fine. I don't get this persecution complex. If YOU don't like what your company stands for, then leave. If you don't and it's for the money, or the other option is worse off for you, then you stay. Free markets buddy, it's great.

Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

50% of strong liberals support firing Trump donors, 36% of strong conservatives support firing Biden donors; 32% are worried about missing out on job opportunities because of their political opinions

www.cato.org

People losing their jobs for having the wrong political opinions and being told they will be punished for expressing the wrong sorts of political opinions, a la Goodyear wanting to fire people for supporting the police via "blue lives matter" shirts, means that the fear that people feel is justified rather than evidence of a persecution complex.

 

[Gnarls]

I'm sorry, are you upset that a company made an independent decision? Were you in the meeting where these supposed "woke actors" were? Because random people go into board meetings all the time pushing ideologies.

No one around here cares. The wokeys are the ones complaining that Trumpelstiltskin exercised his free speech.

 

[boramk]

I am broadly in favour of the rule of law and the system of principles that makes such a system possible. I consider an informed electorate to be a necessary part of that system, which means that the right to political free expression must be protected, and if indeed a situation comes about where the majority become fearful of expressing their political views, it actually becomes imcumbent upon the state to actively rectify the situation.

We are in such agreement its awesome. Company's can state their political leanings if they like to because it's their freedom to do so and we as consumers can also exercise the free market by purchasing or not purchasing a specific company's products.

If a person is fired from his or her job because of their political views, the government can step in and help this individual because that is discrimination and luckily the government has regulations to impose this.

Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

50% of strong liberals support firing Trump donors, 36% of strong conservatives support firing Biden donors; 32% are worried about missing out on job opportunities because of their political opinions

www.cato.org

People losing their jobs for having the wrong political opinions and being told they will be punished for expressing the wrong sorts of political opinions, a la Goodyear wanting to fire people for supporting the police via "blue lives matter" shirts, means that the fear that people feel is justified rather than evidence of a persecution complex.

If Goodlife fires someone for wearing Trump or right wing clothing, my personal opinion is that is complete BS. If anyone is let go for having specific views should be able to take that company to court. But I also understand that companies have the ability to enforce dress code, like I can't walk into work wearing a bikini. If they deem right wing stuff inappropriate but let wing things appropriate that's their prerogative and I'd leave. Again, free market.

 

[boramk]

No one around here cares. The wokeys are the ones complaining that Trumpelstiltskin exercised his free speech.

So ethically you don't care and I'm assuming the moment a left wing President promotes one company and sh*ts on the other you'd still be consistent?

 

[CaptainOblivious]

We are in such agreement its awesome. Company's can state their political leanings if they like to because it's their freedom to do so and we as consumers can also exercise the free market by purchasing or not purchasing a specific company's products.

If a person is fired from his or her job because of their political views, the government can step in and help this individual because that is discrimination and luckily the government has regulations to impose this.

There is no such current protection in the United States, so far as I'm aware, which is why Goodyear can engage in such stupid activities.

If Goodlife fires someone for wearing Trump or right wing clothing, my personal opinion is that is complete BS. If anyone is let go for having specific views should be able to take that company to court. But I also understand that companies have the ability to enforce dress code, like I can't walk into work wearing a bikini. If they deem right wing stuff inappropriate but let wing things appropriate that's their prerogative and I'd leave. Again, free market.

You don't see a contradiction here?

 

[Gnarls]

So ethically you don't care and I'm assuming the moment a left wing President promotes one company and sh*ts on the other you'd still be consistent?

Is he a wizard? It's also his personal twitter account. Additionally, I didn't even know about it till the wokeys brought it up here.

 

[boramk]

There is no such current protection in the United States, so far as I'm aware, which is why Goodyear can engage in such stupid activities.

There are protections, unfortunately it's only in certain states and it's all the liberal ones who have it. The federal government should totally step in and make this a federal law right?

You don't see a contradiction here?

Nope.

- I'd be very uncomfortable if my coworker got fired for wearing a MAGA hat at work and I disagree with it.
- I also understand that if my company had a rule in place that I could not wear a MAGA hat then I know I'm violating their rule.

There is no contradiction.

If I'm a right winger, this bothers me enough to leave or I stay because the pay is good. That's the free market.
If I'm a left winger, I can stay because this doesn't attack my beliefs but I could also leave because I don't want to be in a company that enforces what political paraphernalia I can wear. That's the free market.

 

[Gnarls]

If YOU don't like what your company stands for, then leave. If you don't and it's for the money, or the other option is worse off for you, then you stay. Free markets buddy, it's great.

/snigger

This is another dramallama post. Creating an extreme and dramatic false dichotomy choice where both options are inadequate and incomplete. Just stop now, cause it seems like you are just reeeeeing and deflecting because Trump is putting you in a very difficult position of defending a loser in November.

 

[boramk]

Is he a wizard? It's also his personal twitter account. Additionally, I didn't even know about it till the wokeys brought it up here.

Yea you're right, he's not the President when he is tweeting. It's personal time.
And also you never heard about this personally until now so it doesn't matter that there's an inherent problem here.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

There are protections, unfortunately it's only in certain states and it's all the liberal ones who have it. The federal government should totally step in and make this a federal law right?

I would generally favour political orientation being added to the list of protections listed in the civil rights act.

Nope.

- I'd be very uncomfortable if my coworker got fired for wearing a MAGA hat at work and I disagree with it.
- I also understand that if my company had a rule in place that I could not wear a MAGA hat then I know I'm violating their rule.

There is no contradiction.

If I'm a right winger, this bothers me enough to leave or I stay because the pay is good. That's the free market.
If I'm a left winger, I can stay because this doesn't attack my beliefs but I could also leave because I don't want to be in a company that enforces political paraphernalia I can wear. That's the free market.

Either you're in favour of protections or you aren't, which is it?

 

[Gnarls]

Yea you're right, he's not the President when he is tweeting. It's personal time.
And also you never heard about this personally until now so it doesn't matter that there's an inherent problem here.

Conveniently forgets the bit about freedom of speech.