US Election 2020 - Pt 2

[cerebus]

Trump is a symptom, not a cause of the split.

The cause of the split is the infiltration of identity politics into the mainstream culture:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1134041329292460032

You think you can have a unified society when an explicitly racial term like "whiteness" becomes embedded in the media? Or totalitarian concepts like the DIE religion?

Hoo boy...

 

[buka001]

The graphs were pretty flat till about 2010. You know, after the most racist country in the world elected a black president by popular vote. And before Donald Trump made his appearance.

Diversity, Inclusion and Equity and all the other SJW terms you like to throw around are not things that acknowledge racism and sexism. They are things that propagate it. So yes, they are a bad thing.

I spent some time going through what ex Neo Nazis and KKK people who have denounced those groups and now fight against them. Useful in understanding what drives people to the extremes.

Hear what they have to say about when Obama got elected and how that really woke them up, when all of a sudden they no longer had their man in the Whitehouse.

Also, like Sollie said, from 2010ish the era of social media erupted. Peoples lived experiences became more open, apparent and accessible.

Rietrot also touches on it - volume. Up until social media, the NY Times would only publish one story a day in their newspapers. Now they can tweet out a dozen headlines in 2 hours, generating traffic and revenue. This drives more articles of the same.

More cameras, more instantaneous news all driving this even more.

If we had Twitter in the 60's, words synonymous with that cultural revolution would have also peaked higher than the 50's.

The trends are interesting, but it becomes complicated as we are in a very different world than we were 20 years ago with news and how it is disseminated.

 

[Unhappy438]

Elite Hollywood types should who hoard silly amounts of wealth should not preach to the rest of humanity. Put out the cash or STFU.

The irony, it burns

 

[TysonRoux]

Who is Guo Wengui, the Chinese billionaire who owns the boat Steve Bannon was arrested on?
Multiple people familiar with the matter told NBC News there is a separate federal inquiry involving a company linked to both men, GTV Media Group.

Who is the Chinese mogul who owns the boat Steve Bannon was busted on?

Multiple people familiar with the matter told NBC News there is a separate federal inquiry involving a company linked to both men, GTV Media Group.

www.nbcnews.com

Steve Bannon greets Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui before introducing him at a news conference in New York on Nov. 20, 2018


Earlier this month, a sunburned Steve Bannon, holding a lit cigar and wearing a blue polo shirt with the collar turned up, stood in front of a camera on a yacht owned by his friend Guo Wengui, a Chinese billionaire.

A YouTube video shows Wengui putting his arm around Bannon as the former Trump campaign chairman denounces the Chinese government and extols the alleged benefits of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19. The vessel's lavish interior gleams in the background.


On Thursday, Bannon was arrested by federal agents on that same yacht off Westbrook, Connecticut, and booked into jail on fraud charges. Though the charges appear to have nothing to do with the Chinese businessman, the arrest puts a new spotlight on Bannon's relationship with Guo, a controversial figure with his own history of legal entanglements.

Multiple people familiar with the matter tell NBC News there is a separate federal inquiry involving a company linked to both men, GTV Media Group. As The Wall Street Journal first reported Wednesday, the FBI, the New York state attorney general and the Securities and Exchange Commission are examining whether securities laws were violated during a $300 million private offering by the company this spring, the sources say. In a memo to potential investors, according to The Journal, the company identified Bannon as one of several prominent directors.

Steve Bannon pictured on a yacht on Aug. 19, 2020

 

[CaptainOblivious]

I spent some time going through what ex Neo Nazis and KKK people who have denounced those groups and now fight against them. Useful in understanding what drives people to the extremes.

Hear what they have to say about when Obama got elected and how that really woke them up, when all of a sudden they no longer had their man in the Whitehouse.

Also, like Sollie said, from 2010ish the era of social media erupted. Peoples lived experiences became more open, apparent and accessible.

Rietrot also touches on it - volume. Up until social media, the NY Times would only publish one story a day in their newspapers. Now they can tweet out a dozen headlines in 2 hours, generating traffic and revenue. This drives more articles of the same.

More cameras, more instantaneous news all driving this even more.

If we had Twitter in the 60's, words synonymous with that cultural revolution would have also peaked higher than the 50's.

The trends are interesting, but it becomes complicated as we are in a very different world than we were 20 years ago with news and how it is disseminated.

You didn't actually look at the graphs. It wouldn't be the NeoNazis and KKK using SJW terminology. There is no explosive growth of unusual terms across the board, which is what we would see if your "social media + online newspapers" thesis had merit.

You're engaging in motivated reasoning to try to explain away inconvenient facts, and you are failing miserably while doing so. Your Marxism is starting to show...

 

[buka001]

The irony, it burns

The most accidental left argument I have seen.

 

[Unhappy438]

My grandpa also had some good days, even near the end.

It would be like his dementia was completely gone, then the next day he wouldn't recognize my grandmother and try to leave the house naked and confused.

The trick when dealing with people with dementia is to not question their reality. Just let them live in whatever time they find themselves.

Does it run in the family trolltrot?

 

[rietrot]

Not for election results, not anymore. Not because of Trump or anything, but because I have been thinking about it carefully about what polling does, vs what it wants to achieve.

Polling is fundamentally down to random sampling to make a prediction about an event.

The event in question, is what someone will cast when they at an election booth. That is a different event from phoning someone and asking them if they will vote for X or Y. If the election worked by getting a phone call and being asked whether you will vote for X or Y, polling would be much more valid.

The poll doesn't even ask who a person will vote for but if they approve of the job the president is doing.
That's why it's called approval rating. It is pretty much pointless.

 

[TysonRoux]

My grandpa also had some good days, even near the end.

It would be like his dementia was completely gone, then the next day he wouldn't recognize my grandmother and try to leave the house naked and confused.

The trick when dealing with people with dementia is to not question their reality. Just let them live in whatever time they find themselves.

Don't question the Orange Dotard

 

[Tokolotshe]

You didn't actually look at the graphs. It wouldn't be the NeoNazis and KKK using SJW terminology. There is no explosive growth of unusual terms across the board, which is what we would see if your "social media + online newspapers" thesis had merit.

You're engaging in motivated reasoning to try to explain away inconvenient facts, and you are failing miserably while doing so. Your Marxism is starting to show...

I would agree with you there.

I doubt the KKK and NeoNazi's do the nose ring/multiple piercings thing, posting in pink hair. Yet when you look, this is what you find. The media and the hyper liberals now have circular self-reinforcing thing going, much devoid of reality. We see the ability to produce more kuk to the masses more quickly. Sane speech gets trashed with noise and PC language that barely resembles English. The logic is Through the Looking Glass surreal. The Sex in Dog Parks thing just showed it. The language as you say, and then you look at who posted ...

Jirre, mens kan nie help hoe jy gebore is nie, maar moet jy jouself so verniel?

Also just have a look at our resident TDS'ed meme bot I now have on perma block, invading each thread. At a stage he could actually post sense. Shem.

 

[TysonRoux]

 

[konfab]

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LOL. Do you think Biden and Friends promote a single policy that does anything to promote economic freedom?

These pages might as well have been written by the ANC.
https://joebiden.com/build-back-better/

The Biden Plan to Build Back Better by Advancing Racial Equity Across the American Economy - Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

Joe Biden’s jobs and economic recovery agenda is built on the proposition that we must build our economy back better than it was before the COVID-19 crisis. Over the last month, Biden has been laying out his vision for a stronger, resilient, and inclusive economy. He believes in an economy...

joebiden.com

In fact Biden's entire campaign page is revolting. They have special pages for:
Black people
Latino People
Indian American
Jewish People
Catholic People
Asian and Pacific People
Muslim People
Woman.

Why can't Biden go all out and have a page for white people and for men?

 

[C4Cat]

I can guarentee you it won't be a Democrat.

Ha ha, you're right, that's because they haven't broken the law. Accidentally left wing there, hey rietrot

 

[CaptainOblivious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1296843233402773511

 

[TysonRoux]

Former Mexican President makes EPIC 2020 anti-Trump ad …
This is HILARIOUS! Follow Ridin' With Biden to defeat Trump!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=314768366248766

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeBiden/comments/icnly0

'Urine Trouble Trump' Sprays Twitter As New Golden Showers Allegations Emerge

An excerpt from Michael Cohen's upcoming book is raising a lot of eyebrows.

www.huffpost.com

No, not Ukraine, Urine.

Donald, ......you can go back to the one you love!!!!

 

[CaptainOblivious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1296657488129994754

lol

 

[cerebus]

In fact Biden's entire campaign page is revolting. They have special pages for:
Black people
Latino People
Indian American
Jewish People
Catholic People
Asian and Pacific People
Muslim People
Woman.

Admittedly it can't compare to the sheer inclusivity of "MAGA loves the black people" but it's a start

 

[Tokolotshe]

Admittedly it can't compare to the sheer inclusivity of "MAGA loves the people" but it's a start

Now if you said that, you might have been onto something.

But then again, by bringing any subset into it, you're creating a them vs us - division. But then again, I think you know that as you'd not give good faith good advice to them, would you?

 

[cerebus]

Now if you said that, you might have been onto something.

But then again, by bringing any subset into it, you're creating a them vs us - division. But then again, I think you know that as you'd not give good faith good advice to them, would you?

 

[TysonRoux]

Judge denies Trump’s bid for a stay of subpoena in Manhattan DA’s tax records case
Published Fri, Aug 21 2020 11:33 AM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/21/judge-denies-trumps-bid-for-a-stay-of-subpoena-in-manhattan-das-tax-records-case.html

Key Points

• A federal judge denied President Donald Trump’s bid to temporarily block a ruling allowing a subpoena for his tax returns and other financial records.
• The ruling came a day after the judge rejected Trump’s latest attempt to stop the Manhattan District Attorney’s office from enforcing a subpoena issued to his accounting firm.
• Trump’s lawyers on Thursday had filed a request for an emergency stay pending an appeal of that ruling.

A federal judge on Friday denied President Donald Trump’s bid to temporarily block a ruling allowing a subpoena for his tax returns and other financial records.

The decision came a day after the judge rejected Trump’s latest attempt to stop the Manhattan District Attorney’s office from enforcing a subpoena issued to his accounting firm.




Trump’s lawyers on Thursday had filed a request for an emergency stay pending an appeal of that ruling. On Friday, after the judge denied their request, the lawyers filed another request to delay the release of Trump’s records – this time in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.

Later Friday, that appeals court denied the request for an immediate “administrative stay,” but said that another motion for a stay pending the appeal will be argued before a three-judge panel on Sept. 1.