US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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cerebus

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Absentee voting(what you incorrectly consider voting by mail) still exist and anyone can Register to vote by mail in this way.

So what's the problem?

What's the problem with vote by mail?


Misinformation about voting by mail
Since we’re here, let’s put to bed some myths and misinformation about voting by mail:

  • Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions.
  • Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have found that voting by mail does not favor voter share or turnout of either major political party. Expanding access to voting by mail is generally considered great for all voters and their ability to exercise their right to vote.
 

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Voting by mail has been around since the 19th century in the US, with extraordinarily low cases of recorded fraud. The incentives to commit fraud are so disproportionate to the punishment that very few people will consider it.
and just because something insecure has not yet been manipulated much you assume it will remain so at mass scale?
 

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and just because something insecure has not yet been manipulated much you assume it will remain so at mass scale?

It has never been particularly insecure. Trump is just bullshitting as usual, you do know that but you're just playing his stupid game. He claimed that there were 6 million fraudulent votes in 2016 and he has been totally unable to prove it.



The judge's order, in a high-profile case about vote-by-mail in the battleground state, essentially forces the Trump campaign to try to back up President Donald Trump's false claims about massive voter fraud in postal voting.
"The Court finds that instances of voter fraud are relevant to the claims and defenses in this case," District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan wrote on Thursday, telling Republicans that they need to provide evidence of fraud to the Democratic Party and the Sierra Club, which are part of the lawsuit.


Ranjan, the judge overseeing the suit, was appointed by Trump.
 

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It has never been particularly insecure
glad you're not on my company's infosec team then, the holes are obvious and plentiful, in person voting means:
- you have full control over the physical ballot, no forgery / duplication or other nonsense
- you guarantee the one casting the vote is at least a living person, seeing as they have to show up to vote
- you can mark fingernails with ink ala South Africa and ensure nobody who has voted will vote twice

postal votes do not have the same guarantees and are therefore inherently less secure, again, you do not need proof of abuse to know it is less secure

Trump is just bullshitting as usual, you do know that but you're just playing his stupid game
Actually haven't followed what Trump or others are saying on the topic at all, so no I don't "know that", I don't need to know it either in order to apply even basic logic to know one system is less secure than the other.

imo you'd benefit from ignoring the minute details as well, you seem fixated on the whole "it has not yet resulted in mass fraud" mantra as if it means something, it doesn't
 

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Yup funny how that ONLY happened with google. If you typed "blm is" in any other search engine like yahoo, duckduckgo and bing etc, you would see negative results such as racist, trash, toxic, bad, cult, violent etc. Go try it in any other search engine. Google is the only one where negative results disappeared.
Nooit my man! It's your serach engine of choice feeding you what you want ... Google is innocent and unbiased!
 
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Voting by mail has been around since the 19th century in the US, with extraordinarily low cases of recorded fraud.
Sure, just ignore the hundreds of reports of tampering, fraud and results being invalidated for years, because your MSM doesn't cover it. Ignore all the recent whistle blowers. Ignore what the Democrats are saying themselves even.

Democrat group warns of apparent Trump Election Day landslide on election night, even if he ultimately loses when all the mail-in votes are counted.

 
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Voting by mail has been around since the 19th century in the US, with extraordinarily low cases of recorded fraud. The incentives to commit fraud are so disproportionate to the punishment that very few people will consider it.
Here are some more recent reports, since you are too ignorant and lazy to do any research yourself.

You can find overwhelming evidence of the Democrats Mail-In Voting fraud dating back to 1864.

How Democrats Used Mail-In Voting to Try to Rig the 1864 Election

 

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That is all David does. Oh you post MSM, hence it does not agree with me, so fake news.
Your problem is you cant discern between indoctrination and reality, even it it had to slap you in the face.
Yes, it's fiery peaceful protests.

Open your eyes: But Noooo, I don't wanna, I want to believe in my disillusions and will defend them, even at the price of civilized society ...


There is nothing civilized in anything BLM/antifa or dem related politics you're seeing happening. It's not about black, much less lives.

Strange how after Sollie posted one of his psuedo cryptic messages last week, in response to Tyson, this guy pitches up, claims he is here for just the weekend, but ends up being here, posting every 10 seconds since.
Says Mr Conspiracy Master. Actually, don't tell anybody, but ...
 
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Voting by mail has been around since the 19th century in the US, with extraordinarily low cases of recorded fraud. The incentives to commit fraud are so disproportionate to the punishment that very few people will consider it.
Just in case the last 10 examples aren't enough, here are some more recent reports. I could give you hundreds more.

Not even MSM who defends the Democrats at all costs can deny the overwhelming evidence

 
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Tokolotshe

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ROFL I noticed how enraged you were when Trump held a rally the other day with practically no distancing and no masks, so this is a reasonable comparable level of outrage over a haircut.
In San Francisco, face coverings are mandatory in most public settings. Salons may only cut hair outdoors under new rules that took effect today.
Where was the venue you're referring to?
 
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