US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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w1z4rd

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Sorry, can't take The Guardian as a reliable source of anything. It's an openly leftist publication that gives a platform to communist and socialist columnists.
I cant take your ad hominem seriously. Please insert your next logical fallacy to continue. Your options are strawman or whataboutism.
 
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w1z4rd

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They're not fooling anyone who isn't already fooled. Some of us have seen footage of the violent riots almost daily for months. BLM and Antifa are basically live streaming it themselves.
I just dont think your mind can understand the scope and size of America and how many protests are going on. Its in the article you are choosing to ignore.

There have been some violent demonstrations, and those tend to get a lot of media coverage,” Dr Roudabeh Kishi, Acled’s director of research & innovation, told the Guardian. “But if you were to look at all the demonstrations happening, it’s overwhelmingly peaceful.”


Between late May and the end of the August, Acled and Princeton researchers documented 7,750 demonstrations associated with the Black Lives Matter

7% is still too high, and its not helped by dozens of crazies driving into crowds of people.

While the overwhelming majority of all the different kinds of protests tracked over this time were peaceful, the report did find a troubling trend of violence from both government forces and non-state actors.


Government authorities were more likely to intervene in Black Lives Matter protests than in other demonstrations, and also more likely to intervene with force, like using teargas, rubber bullets and pepper spray or beating demonstrators with batons, the researchers found.


They documented 392 incidents this summer in which government authorities used force on Black Lives Matter demonstrators.


Journalists covering Black Lives Matter protests were also met with violence from government forces in at least 100 separate incidents across dozens of states this summer. One journalist was blinded after being hit in the eye with a rubber bullet while covering protests over George Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis.


Violent intervention from government forces did not make protests more peaceful, the report concluded. In Portland specifically, the report found that intervention from federal authorities in the protest “only aggravated unrest”, with the number of “violent demonstrations” rising from 53% to nearly 62% of all events “after federal agents arrived on the scene”.


Armed individuals were documented at at least 50 protests this summer.


“Individual perpetrators – sometimes linked to hate groups like the KKK – have launched dozens of car-ramming attacks targeting demonstrations around the country,” the researchers wrote.
 
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There have been some violent demonstrations, and those tend to get a lot of media coverage,” Dr Roudabeh Kishi, Acled’s director of research & innovation, told the Guardian. “But if you were to look at all the demonstrations happening, it’s overwhelmingly peaceful.”
While I'm sure there are some peaceful protests in places, especially the ones during the day, this is an entirely false narrative and you have to be seriously out of the loop to believe it. Very few of the violent riots, which have been happening every night for the past 100 days, have had any MSM coverage. The MSM's avoidance of the riots and narrative about "mostly peaceful protests" has become a meme at this point.
 

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So you straw-man me yet again. I have never said anyone should use QAnon as a source, nor have I ever used them as a source myself.

I have made my position very clear. People need to stop making accusations against individuals and groups based on fake news without any compelling evidence. I don't need to be aligned with the values or beliefs of a group to defend them against unwarranted slander and false narratives that are pushed by the dishonest MSM in an attempt to further the agendas of corrupt politicians.
So why post videos about an Anonymous enterprise, if you dislike anonymous sources?

I have not seen you critical of them? I have only seen you say things positive about it.
 
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So why post videos about an Anonymous enterprise, if you dislike anonymous sources?

I have not seen you critical of them? I have only seen you say things positive about it.
Since you people were continuously repeating false MSM narratives about the group being dangerous, I felt it was necessary to provide the findings of my research and context that would allow everyone to judge the intentions of the group for themselves, instead of blindly believing the nonsense being spewed.

Why should I be critical of them when I have yet to see any evidence that they are dangerous or have any intention of causing harm to others? I believe everyone has a right to believe anything they like, including seemingly crazy conspiracies, as long as it does not negatively affect others. I will not be critical of an individual or group unless I see substantiated reasons which warrant doing so.

You should stop looking for reasons to be critical of others all the time. It's a very negative approach to life.
 

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Nope...debunking the false narrative.

Not even a "nice try, no banana."...

Really shooting the messenger is your specialty.
Part of that debunking includes undoing the redefining on commonly understood terms. Peaceful vs riots? Oh LOL!

PS: did a FTFY ;)
 
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Since you people were continuously repeating false MSM narratives about the group being dangerous, I felt it was necessary to provide the findings of my research and context that would allow everyone to judge the intentions of the group for themselves, instead of blindly believing the nonsense being spewed.

Why should I be critical of them when I have yet to see any evidence that they are dangerous or have any intention of causing harm to others? I believe everyone has a right to believe anything they like, including seemingly crazy conspiracies, as long as it does not negatively affect others. I will not be critical of an individual or group unless I see substantiated reasons which warrant doing so.

You should stop looking for reasons to be critical of others all the time. It's a very negative approach to life.
And the effect it has had on families? Not doing any harm?

 

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You must have missed my past experience with buka001. Here is a full summary of one of our "discussions" in this thread: https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/us-election-2020-pt-2.1088645/page-326#post-26008282

After reading through that, do you still believe my threat was unwarranted?
Your past experience?
David = 2019 = 18 months.
Grant = 2007 = 13 years

Let's assume for discussion purposes, you are who you claim to be, not somebody else.
Given the exponential difference in presence on this forum, my opinion would be based on my own experiences.
You strike me as being overtly over invested in your crusade, close to the point of hysteria.
Whithin a marginal time frame you have seen fit to report and threaten to report others who's opinions may clash with your own. A little introspection on your part may reveal you often project accusations on others for which you are also guilty.

Let me be quite clear here, I have no horse in this race. I have been accused by the liberals of being a conservative - even a trump supporter, while at the same time been branded a bleeding heart liberal by the conservatives. Truth be known, I have a bed in neither camp.

This thread has devolved into little more than a mud slinging contest, ironically representative of the political campaigns of both trump and the democrats at the moment. Both sides are too consumed with rubbishing each other to even offer voters actual incentive to go to the polls.
We saw the same thing in our own recent elections where the DA did little more than hurl mud at the ANC, while offering little as incentive.

What we have in this thread is two tribes so heavily invested in their respective narratives, that they have become myopic and refuse to recognise their own failings.
Hypocrisy has no bounds here either, again, something neither side is able to see or recognise in themselves.

You however, are on a crusade to win a battle nobody can ever win.

As for trump, he may have achieved a couple of things the liberals could never bring themselves to acknowledge.
Simultaneously, trump is probably one of the most unstateman-like leaders the world has witnessed in recent time. His infantile comments on twitter are cringe worthy, which certainly do him no favours when playing in an international arena.
For my part, I have served 4 three year terms as a federal employee of the state dept, serving in different missions within sub-saharan Africa.
Much is done at high level by gentlemen's agreement "under the table". Reputation is key in commanding respect, without that, you are dead in the water. And this is where Trump's major failing sits. That lack of respect leads to little loyalty when one has to count on allies for support.

So yes, I have read the exchanges between yourself and your multitude of adversaries in this thread - I see a schit show peppered with dishonesty and hypocrisy all round.

Give up your quest for truth for it will find no purchase here.
The reality here is that of two out of tune orchestras, playing to tone deaf audiences.
At best, an exersize in futility, with a few giggles on the side.
 
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