US Election 2020 - Pt 2

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Kieppie

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I know it’s a weird flex but I think what they’re actually saying is that the right aren’t smart enough (or rich enough since you can pay your way in) to get into universities.

Given the state of the US I would say it is smarter to skip college & debt and just focus on a usable trade.

in SA we all fell for the "You have to go to University" trap. Also a bit ashamed that we looked down on those in colleges for being "less intelligent". Speaking from engineering students perspective.

To be fair Engineering students thought this about most other faculties as well :ROFL:
 
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The entire Russian collusion narrative was all a conspiracy theory. There was years and years of wall to wall negative coverage for a nothing burger.

There is no equivalent of that.

Hey Em, I recall asking you multiple times to actually point out what reporting was incorrect - you seem incapable of doing so. Odd!

Have you read the Senate report? It affirms the reporting.

 

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Yes. When companies get involved they have this rather unedifying habit of favouring one side of the other despite claims of neutrality.

They're already involved and biased in favour of conservatives. They routinely break their own policies to favour conservatives. They even appointed a Republican operative as their head of public policy who makes a lot of these decisions.

 

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If any country tried they would collapse(as all socialism does). Socialists keep using norway as example of it working but have never bothered to find out where the money comes from to keep it running... Their oil wealth is insane, they have so much cash invested around the globe generating money to throw around on their people(yet again, capitalism funds it, difference here is, none of that oil wealth is invested locally, or it would have ended decades ago the same way all socialism does, empty pockets, which is why they don't see themselves as socialists, its all capitalism making the money for em)... but even with the insane wealth oil wealth supporting it, they predict they will start running in the red within the next 50years and have to rework all the policies.

So when Sanders proposes similar policies why do conservatives freak out and call him a radical socialist?

And amazingly it's not just Norway, but all of Scandinavia, the whole of Western Europe, Australasia, and much of Asia that manages to do it. But the wealthiest country in the world would collapse. :laugh:
 

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Pro life you say?

Tell me more...

‘Like an Experimental Concentration Camp’: Whistleblower Complaint Alleges Mass Hysterectomies at ICE Detention Center

Several legal advocacy groups on Monday filed a whistleblower complaint on behalf of a nurse at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center documenting “jarring medical neglect” within the facility, including a refusal to test detainees for the novel coronavirus and an exorbitant rate of hysterectomies being performed on immigrant women.

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, was employed at the Irwin County Detention Center (ICDC) in Georgia, which is operated by LaSalle Corrections, a private prison company. The complaint was filed with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) by advocacy groups Project South, Georgia Detention Watch, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights, and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network.

Multiple women came forward to tell Project South about what they perceived to be the inordinate rate at which women in ICDC were subjected to hysterectomies – a surgical operation in which all or part of the uterus is removed. Additionally, many of the immigrant women who underwent the procedure were reportedly “confused” when asked to explain why they had the surgery, with one detainee likening their treatment to prisoners in concentration camps.

“Recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done,” the complaint stated. “When she talked to them about the surgery, the women ‘reacted confused when explaining why they had one done.’ The woman told Project South that it was as though the women were ‘trying to tell themselves it’s going to be OK.’”

“When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies,” the detainee said.

According to Wooten, ICDC consistently used a particular gynecologist – outside the facility – who almost always opted to remove all or part of the uterus of his female detainee patients.

“Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy—just about everybody,” Wooten said, adding that, “everybody’s uterus cannot be that bad.”

“We’ve questioned among ourselves like goodness he’s taking everybody’s stuff out…That’s his specialty, he’s the uterus collector. I know that’s ugly…is he collecting these things or something…Everybody he sees, he’s taking all their uteruses out or he’s taken their tubes out. What in the world.”

Wooten also confirmed that many of the detained women have told her that they didn’t understand why they were being forced to have the procedure, explaining that some of the nurses obtained their consent “by simply googling Spanish.”

The complaint details several accounts from detainees, including one woman who was not properly anesthetized during the procedure and heard the aforementioned doctor tell the nurse he had mistakenly removed the wrong ovary, resulting in her losing all reproductive ability. Another said she was scheduled for the procedure but when she questioned why it was necessary, she was given at least three completely different answers.

“She was originally told by the doctor that she had an ovarian cyst and was going to have a small twenty-minute procedure done drilling three small holes in her stomach to drain the cyst,” according to the complaint. “The officer who was transporting her to the hospital told her that she was receiving a hysterectomy to have her womb removed. When the hospital refused to operate on her because her COVID-19 test came back positive for antibodies, she was transferred back to ICDC where the ICDC nurse said that the procedure she was going to have done entailed dilating her vagina and scraping tissue off. “

Another nurse then told her the procedure was to mitigate her heavy menstrual bleeding, which the woman had never experienced. When she explained that, the nurse “responded by getting angry and agitated and began yelling at her.”

According to The Intercept, ICE declined to comment on the allegations in the complaint, while a Lasalle Corrections spox said it was “firmly committed to the health and welfare of those in our care.”

“We are deeply committed to delivering high-quality, culturally responsive services in safe and humane environments,” the person said.

Law&Crime reached out to ICE for comment. Law&Crime also reached out to DHS OIG to ask whether it has received the complaint and whether it will investigate the allegations in it. We will update this story if we receive responses.
 

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So, again, why do conservatives call Sanders a radical socialist if he wants to adopt capitalist countries' policies?

And New Zealand runs on oil money? Amazing.
:rolleyes:Farkin brain dead... this is why I must stop clearing my ignore list
 

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The change in undecideds is probably most notable.

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Because you prefer ad homs to actually answering fairly basic questions people put to you? Okay then.
Its in my post already. COS THE MONEY ALWAYS RUNS OUT. Norway themselves will tell you this. Even with their 10 trillion hold it up generating money for the socialist policies, it can't be sustained. Money going in reducing, money coming out reducing, people on social programs increasing, aging and increasing population, more to support on less. IT ALWAYS RUNS OUT. iirc, 2060/70 they're screwed under current system, but thats from a few years back, after oil etc went tits up this year, their 'its fine, don't panic, we've got trillions and decades to figure it out' has become an 'oh ****'
 
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Its in my post already. COS THE MONEY ALWAYS RUNS OUT. Norway themselves will tell you this. Even with their 10 trillion hold it up generating money for the socialist policies, it can't be sustained. Money going in reducing, money coming out reducing, people on social programs increasing, aging and increasing population, more to support. IT ALWAYS RUNS OUT. iirc, 2060/70 they're ****ed under current system, but thats from a few years back, after oil etc went tits up this year, their 'its fine, don't panic, we've got trillions and decades to figure it out' has become an 'oh ****'

By what measure is the money "running out", though? And how do you measure it?

Saying specific types of programmes (like social insurance, for example) are at risk of insolvency in x years is a very specific type of extrapolation based on certain variables. The whole point of this kind of analysis is to make adjustments if required. And quite often, it's more an accounting trick than anything else. Like in the US where the social security trust fund is always described as being near the brink of death because of liabilities... but the debt is owed to the US government itself.

The Nordic countries have run social welfare systems for ~90 years already, and forecasts about ~70 years from now seem highly dubious, for a lot of reasons.

This argument is also a bit odd, because by what measure is Norway 'running out of money' in a way that the US isn't, for example? The US has basically ~3 times the debt-to-GDP ratio Norway has. It seems their system produces a lot worse outcomes for a lot more money!
 

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As if it wasn't obvious enough that the GOP is using governmental resources to concoct a political smear campaign with this crap.

Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said Monday that he will soon release an interim report from his months-long probe involving the Obama administration and Hunter Biden.

"Stay tuned. In about a week we're going to learn a whole lot more of Vice President Biden's fitness for office," Johnson told GOP activists during a video call, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
 

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This lunatic Trump appointee at HHS clearly needs some actual medical help. He thinks the CDC is going to assassinate him. Incidentally, the nonsense he spouts isn't that far off from what Trump says, too.

The top communications official at the powerful cabinet department in charge of combating the coronavirus made outlandish and false claims on Sunday that career government scientists were engaging in “sedition” in their handling of the pandemic and that left-wing hit squads were preparing for armed insurrection after the election.

Michael Caputo, 58, the assistant secretary of public affairs at the Department of Health and Human Services, said without evidence that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was harboring a “resistance unit” determined to undermine President Trump.
 

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So when Sanders proposes similar policies why do conservatives freak out and call him a radical socialist?

And amazingly it's not just Norway, but all of Scandinavia, the whole of Western Europe, Australasia, and much of Asia that manages to do it. But the wealthiest country in the world would collapse. :laugh:

Maybe because Sanders IS in fact a radical socialist? Lest you forget his bromance with the old Soviet Union. He has been suckling at the teat of tax payers, never had a proper job before entering politics. He basically held up every failed socialist state as an example at one point in time. He use to decry millionaires and billionaires until he himself became a millionaire. He is just duplicitous especially when you see how much he changed from 2016 to now. I picked him in 2016 over Hillary, but then again I did not know that much about him at that time and only based it on some of his speeches.

Again having social programmes do not make you socialist. Not going to argue pro's/con's of social programmes on different economies as that is a complex topic even for seasoned economists. But for you Orbit "What about the US deficit??" :p
 

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A digital ad released by a fundraising arm of the Trump campaign on Sept. 11 calling on people to “support our troops” uses a stock photo of Russian-made fighter jets and weapons.

The ad, which was made by the Trump Make America Great Again Committee, features silhouettes of three soldiers walking as a fighter jet flies over them. The ad first appeared on Sept. 8 and ran until Sept. 12.

“That’s definitely a MiG-29,” said Pierre Sprey, who helped design both the F-16 and A-10 planes for the U.S. Air Force. “I’m glad to see it’s supporting our troops.”

He noted the angle of the aircraft’s tail, the way the tail is swept far back, and the spacing of the engines, along with the tunnel between them.
 

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Is that the facepalm for yourself as you characteristically wipe out the entire centre of political ideologies?

I guess when you become hyperpartisan, there is no centre?

Centre right people do vote Democrat at times. Many did so in 2016.

Your link was about which political party some college professors will vote for.

Do you have facts that support the claim that 99% of academia is left wing?

Edit - quoted from Emjay's study, which proves my point -

There are criticisms of use of the D:R registration ratio for illumination of political affiliation or ideological commitment. A good number of professors are not registered as a member of either major political party (Langbert et al, 2016; Langbert, 2018), and many professors are not registered to vote. Registration data is unavailable for professors who are not citizens, who are based in non-US universities, or who are registered in 20 states that do not collect registration data or do not make the data publicly available. As well, identification of registrants relies on personal names, which introduces error because multiple individuals in a state often have the same name. Thus, identification must be done with care, using middle initials, year of college graduation to estimate age, and proximity of the individual’s address to the institution. Naturally, such a process introduces a small and unknown level of error.
Once identified, the meaning of D:R ratios is imprecise because there is ideological variation among the voters within each party.
 
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