US Election 2020 - Pt 3

Who do you think WILL win the 2020 US presidential election

  • Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D)

    Votes: 166 44.4%

  • Donald J. Trump (R)

    Votes: 208 55.6%
  • Total voters
    374
Status
Not open for further replies.
C

CaptainOblivious

Expert Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
2,535
copacetic said:
He appears to be the (allegedly) source of information, via a blog called "liberalsarenuts.com". Also, it was himself involved in the court case?
Click to expand...
Well, if he himself is involved in the court case, which Burisma lost, then that would by some measure endorse the veracity of what he's saying, wouldn't it?

Also, checking on wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

Andrii Derkach - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

On October 9, 2019, Derkach alleged that Joe Biden had been involved in an international money laundering scheme with Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings and US-based Rosemont Seneca Partners.[16] He claimed that Burisma's payments to four of its board members–including Biden's son Hunter–which were neither secret nor illegal, were "a sinister plot involving" Ukraine's former president Poroshenko but his claims initially were mostly ignored in Ukraine and abroad.[17] Anders Åslund, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, called Derkach "not credible" and a "professional disinformer."[18]
Click to expand...

It should be noted that Rosemont Seneca Partners was raided by the FBI in August.

TruNews

TruNews is the world's leading news source that reports, analyzes, and comments on global events and trends with a conservative, orthodox Christian worldview.
www.trunews.com www.trunews.com

It is curious why something so salaciously newsworthy as this is being suppressed when the media industry is desperate for revenue...
 
C

CaptainOblivious

Expert Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
2,535
greg0205 said:
*bear*
Click to expand...

US Election 2020 - Pt 3

This part is true, but I avoided using the word with you lest you get all grumpy in private messages like the last time. If you didn't shart in the bed, maybe in your complaints about grumpiness you'd have a point...
mybroadband.co.za

US Election 2020 - Pt 3

This part is true, but I avoided using the word with you lest you get all grumpy in private messages like the last time. If you didn't shart in the bed, maybe in your complaints about grumpiness you'd have a point...
mybroadband.co.za

Context helps.
 
copacetic

copacetic

King of the Hippies
Joined
Nov 22, 2009
Messages
57,908
CaptainOblivious said:
Well, if he himself is involved in the court case, which Burisma lost, then that would by some measure endorse the veracity of what he's saying, wouldn't it?

Also, checking on wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

Andrii Derkach - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

It should be noted that Rosemont Seneca Partners was raided by the FBI in August.

TruNews

TruNews is the world's leading news source that reports, analyzes, and comments on global events and trends with a conservative, orthodox Christian worldview.
www.trunews.com www.trunews.com

It is curious why something so salaciously newsworthy as this is being suppressed when the media industry is desperate for revenue...
Click to expand...

Am I correct in understanding, then, that you were comfortable accepting a random Tweet with no sources to be true?

Veracity - sure - if A) if there is reporting on the court case, other than FB, and B) he's telling the truth. I can't say either way, as I know very little about this.

The remainder and heading of the Wikipedia paragraph may be useful for further context:

Interference in United States 2020 elections

...

On December 5, 2019, Derkach met with President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in Kyiv to put together a corruption case against Biden's son Hunter, according to Derkach.[19][20] In May 2020, he released a portion of a phone call between Joe Biden and Petro Poroshenko, the former president of the Ukraine.[21]

On September 10, 2020, the U.S. Treasury Department sanctioned Derkach "for attempting to influence the U.S. electoral process," while also alleging that Derkach "has been an active Russian agent for over a decade, maintaining close connections with the Russian Intelligence Services." [22][23] The sanctions include freezing all of Derkach's property interests subject to U.S. jurisdiction and prohibiting U.S. persons from engaging in transactions with him and with entities of which Derkach owns 50 percent or more.[24]
Click to expand...

Also, if this is a thing, why on earth are Trump's people not screaming about it? Would seem to be in their best interests, and they have the might of the intelligence services, etc, to do that, surely?

As for it being salacious - I hear you, but there seems very little reason to take it seriously at this point, unless journalism nowadays is based on what gets said on social media.
 
C

CaptainOblivious

Expert Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2019
Messages
2,535
copacetic said:
Am I correct in understanding, then, that you were comfortable accepting a random Tweet with no sources to be true?
Click to expand...
In this case, given my general awareness of the allegations surrounding Burisma, absolutely.

Veracity - sure - if A) if there is reporting on the court case, other than FB, and B) he's telling the truth. I can't say either way, as I know very little about this.

The remainder and heading of the Wikipedia paragraph may be useful for further context:
Click to expand...
Yes, I don't really care for Wikipedia's political biases. I invite you to consider what Larry Sanger has to say about Wikipedia's neutrality.

Also, if this is a thing, why on earth are Trump's people not screaming about it? Would seem to be in their best interests, and they have the might of the intelligence services, etc, to do that, surely?
Click to expand...
Largely because the media narrative has been poisoned with claims of Trump being a power-mad dictator and these sorts of claims are used as an excuse to paint Trump as the next Mussolini or Hitler.

If you are actually interested in this question, I suggest you pay closer attention to the witnesses who testified in Trump's impeachment hearing. I remind you that technically the justification for the impeachment hearing was that Trump had the temerity to ask a foreign leader to look into something troublesome...
 
cerebus

cerebus

Honorary Master
Joined
Nov 5, 2007
Messages
49,122
copacetic said:
Also, if this is a thing, why on earth are Trump's people not screaming about it? Would seem to be in their best interests, and they have the might of the intelligence services, etc, to do that, surely?
Click to expand...

Probably because Trump got impeached over this nothingburger, due to his extorting the president of Ukrine to push the corruption narrative and withholding military aid. The impeachment might have been voted down by the Senate but it shut up the Trump camp about Burisma. Now these limp half-hearted allegations are the best they can muster.
 
Last edited:
scudsucker

scudsucker

Executive Member
Joined
Oct 16, 2006
Messages
9,024
CaptainOblivious said:
Well, I just had a little chat with the devil, on account of I know him so intimately. He said that the entertainment is to last an eternity...
Click to expand...
So, on what terms will you take this bet?

I'm willing to go with "not completely insane" from your side, slightly different to our last bet.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top