US Election 2020 - Pt 3

Who do you think WILL win the 2020 US presidential election

  • Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D)

    Votes: 166 44.4%

  • Donald J. Trump (R)

    Votes: 208 55.6%
  • Total voters
    374
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CaptainOblivious said:
This is not the first time that news from Ukraine has broken in this way, with it being ignored by the MSM.
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I'm not insisting it's untrue, simply that as things stand, it's literally just a tweet from where you can find your way to an anti-liberal blog, with no verification of the facts. It may be good enough for you, but it is not good enough for me, personally.

I did, because it was convenient to do so, but the information I was looking for I was familiar with from other sources, so I wasn't taking Wikipedia's word for it, but then you took what I quoted as a reason to say that I should believe the rest of what's in the article, and I reject this reasoning.
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Got it - So as long as it agrees with you, Wikipedia is fine, but if it disagrees with you a sentence or two later, then it is unreliable? Also, I didn't say you should believe anything, I just felt it was a bit selective leaving half of the section out.

I would imagine that insofar as there is actually criminal case to be answered for, that the people such as Barr who head the DoJ must speak carefully so as to not sabotage the prospects that the case will prevail in court.

But if you pay close attention to what Trump has said, he has not been shy about suggesting that there are problems that have to be addressed. The most recent example was the presidential debates when Trump was asking Biden why his family's getting money from politically connected Russian oligarchs.
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Trump's not shy of saying anything that could discredit those he dislikes, irrespective of how true it may or may not be. As for silence due to a possible investigation, sure, why not? Also, how about silence because there's nothing for them to work with, sure why not?

Well, when you feel that you have made yourself familiar with the situation so that you have a feel for the playing field, let's revisit this question, shall we?
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I feel caught up enough to engage, but I'm not convinced the issue here is my lack of knowledge, which is easily rectified on the fly, should it be necessary.
 
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scudsucker said:
I guess that's a "no, I am too much a coward and in reality I cannot prove myself right" from you @CaptainOblivious / Xarog.

Don't feel bad, @Emjay is in the same sinking boat
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You appear to be confused. Perhaps you can explain why you think anyone feels the inlicnation to prove anything to a skeptard such as yourself. Bonus points if you can also explain how you managed to get SoldierMan to be your ventriloquist's dummy...
 
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I am Surprised that this has not been posted yet by someone!!!

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copacetic said:
I'm not insisting it's untrue, simply that as things stand, it's literally just a tweet from where you can find your way to an anti-liberal blog, with no verification of the facts. It may be good enough for you, but it is not good enough for me, personally.
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Well, I am in no mood to discount it just because it doesn't satisfy your threshold of proof. I acknowledge that you are looking for something stronger, while I am happy to wait and see.

Got it - So as long as it agrees with you, Wikipedia is fine, but if it disagrees with you a sentence or two later, then it is unreliable? Also, I didn't say you should believe anything, I just felt it was a bit selective leaving half of the section out.
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No. You cited a wikipedia page, I read what it said, and spoke to the parts that I could confirm in the interests of engaging in good faith, which would be the FBI raid on Rosemont Seneca Partners in connection with its dodgy dealings in Ukraine. If you're going to demand I account for the rest, then you can actually give me a reason why, given that you claim to have the necessary familiarity with the case to do so. I'm presuming that Derkatch going to Guiliani with the information means that he was part of the group of Ukrainians who went to meet Guiliani to tell him what they knew after their attempts to raise their concerns with the US embassy in Ukraine fell on deaf ears ( gee, I wonder why.... )

If you remove the political slant from the reporting, that suggests that one could only speak to Guiliani if you had some sort of ulterior/malevolent motives, then on the face of it there's absolutely nothing wrong with them going to speak to someone like Guiliani, and them trying this avenue in no way impugns the legitimacy of whatever claims that they have made, which should, I presume, be investigated on their merits.

Trump's not shy of saying anything that could discredit those he dislikes, irrespective of how true it may or may not be. As for silence due to a possible investigation, sure, why not? Also, how about silence because there's nothing for them to work with, sure why not?
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I don't believe that to be true, he has been coy on many many details that no doubt he could have put more forthrightly if he were keen on pushing the issue. For example, look how quickly he stopped talking about how the UK and other 5 eyes countries wanted him to keep his mouth shut about certain details regarding crossfire hurricane. Trump said it once and then never brought it up again. Given Trump's vindictive temperament, I presume that this level of self-control is motivated.

I feel caught up enough to engage, but I'm not convinced the issue here is my lack of knowledge, which is easily rectified on the fly, should it be necessary.
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Well, can you comment on the FBI raid on Rosemont Seneca Partners and how it connects to the wider concerns with Burisma, then?
 
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Shot

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EDIT: Andrew gets it.

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Jabulani22 said:
Not sure it will pan out , Biden is anti gun and anti oil isnt he ?
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Nah, I think Biden will get closer than any other Democrat in decades but will lose it by a few percent. The problem for Republicans is the biggest source of population growth in Texas is in Austin, Dallas & Houston areas and these are all becoming increasingly Democratic.
 
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Jabulani22 said:
Not sure it will pan out , Biden is anti gun and anti oil isnt he ?
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The answer is no, and not really

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-...nd-2nd-amendment-responds-youre-full-of-****/

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Biden Could Reduce the Nation’s Production of Oil and Gas, but Probably Not as Much as Many Hope - Inside Climate News

This year’s election might seem to present an existential moment for the nation’s oil and gas industry. One candidate says he would phase out fossil fuels to address a climate crisis while the other promises to continue expanding drilling and production. Yet the outcome of the presidential...
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Nah, I think Biden will get closer than any other Democrat in decades but will lose it by a few percent. The problem for Republicans is the biggest source of population growth in Texas is in Austin, Dallas & Houston areas and these are all becoming increasingly Democratic.
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Do you think it could be an after effect of the california exodus , blue'ing up other states.
But why would democrat supporters jump ship after having all their policies enacted ...........
 
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cerebus said:
The answer is no, and not really


insideclimatenews.org

Biden Could Reduce the Nation’s Production of Oil and Gas, but Probably Not as Much as Many Hope - Inside Climate News

This year’s election might seem to present an existential moment for the nation’s oil and gas industry. One candidate says he would phase out fossil fuels to address a climate crisis while the other promises to continue expanding drilling and production. Yet the outcome of the presidential...
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Ok well maybe not Biden but certainly the dems are anti gun/oil.
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Nah, I think Biden will get closer than any other Democrat in decades but will lose it by a few percent. The problem for Republicans is the biggest source of population growth in Texas is in Austin, Dallas & Houston areas and these are all becoming increasingly Democratic.
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What's your take on Donnie's tweet and tight state races, Chris?
 
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