US Election 2020 - Pt 3

Who do you think WILL win the 2020 US presidential election

  • Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D)

    Votes: 166 44.4%

  • Donald J. Trump (R)

    Votes: 208 55.6%
  • Total voters
    374
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rietrot

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OrbitalDawn said:
A brief play, in 4 acts.

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Wow the Russians really need to up their game. This is just sloppy.
 
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Vorastra said:
Ha, look at you. You never believed the Veritas video in the first place, with actual evidence, but you'll believe anything that tries to disprove it.
Here we go. Veritas explaining. What a surprise, the article is BS. Retraction alpacas inbound. I'm sure you'll watch it. :sneaky:

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Cool story bro.

Any idea when the DoJ will be announcing charges against her?
 
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rietrot said:
I don't see how Trump is self destructing, but whatever.

With all the media running propaganda for Biden I think he is still on a losing path.
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Absolutely my man, Inshallah. We are with you.
 
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CaptainOblivious said:
Well, I am in no mood to discount it just because it doesn't satisfy your threshold of proof. I acknowledge that you are looking for something stronger, while I am happy to wait and see.
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I'm not telling you to discount it as I am quite aware of the futility of trying. I'm just pointing out what a flatulent fail the evidence is.

No. You cited a wikipedia page, I read what it said, and spoke to the parts that I could confirm in the interests of engaging in good faith, which would be the FBI raid on Rosemont Seneca Partners in connection with its dodgy dealings in Ukraine. If you're going to demand I account for the rest, then you can actually give me a reason why, given that you claim to have the necessary familiarity with the case to do so. I'm presuming that Derkatch going to Guiliani with the information means that he was part of the group of Ukrainians who went to meet Guiliani to tell him what they knew after their attempts to raise their concerns with the US embassy in Ukraine fell on deaf ears ( gee, I wonder why.... )
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Uh, no. That was you citing Wikipedia, my guy.

If you remove the political slant from the reporting, that suggests that one could only speak to Guiliani if you had some sort of ulterior/malevolent motives, then on the face of it there's absolutely nothing wrong with them going to speak to someone like Guiliani, and them trying this avenue in no way impugns the legitimacy of whatever claims that they have made, which should, I presume, be investigated on their merits.
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I assume you are aware of this, but it honestly doesn't seem like it:

GOP report: No wrongdoing in Biden son ties to Ukraine firm, but still 'problematic'

"A report released Wednesday by Senate Republicans found that the role of Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, on the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma was "awkward" and at times "problematic" for U.S. officials dealing with the country, but provides no new evidence and found no instance of policy being altered as a result of his role.

"The extent to which Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board affected U.S. policy toward Ukraine is not clear," the report finds.

Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, who led the investigation as chair of the Homeland Security Committee, had openly said he hoped the election-year probe would hurt the Democratic nominee and help President Donald Trump while Democrats had decried the effort as purely political.

I don't believe that to be true, he has been coy on many many details that no doubt he could have put more forthrightly if he were keen on pushing the issue. For example, look how quickly he stopped talking about how the UK and other 5 eyes countries wanted him to keep his mouth shut about certain details regarding crossfire hurricane. Trump said it once and then never brought it up again. Given Trump's vindictive temperament, I presume that this level of self-control is motivated."

The report.

Further reading:

I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.

"IT’S STRANGE TO see my journalism twisted, perverted, and turned into lies and poisonous propaganda by Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and their enablers. But that’s what has happened to a news story I wrote four years ago.

In 2015, I wrote a story for the New York Times about Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, and Ukraine. Many observers now seem to think this suddenly hot story came out of nowhere this year, but that is not true."

Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden Scandal in Ukraine Is “Absolute Nonsense”
"VIRAL RUMORS THAT Joe Biden abused his power as vice president to protect his son’s business interests in Ukraine in 2016, which spread last week from the pro-Trump media ecosystem to the New York Times, are “absolute nonsense,” according to Ukraine’s leading anti-corruption activist. That evaluation is backed by foreign correspondents in Kiev and a former official with knowledge of Biden’s outreach to Ukraine after President Viktor Yanukovych was deposed in a popular uprising in 2014.

In an interview with The Intercept, Daria Kaleniuk, an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, expressed frustration that two recent front-page stories in the New York Times, on how the conspiracy theory is being used to attack Biden, failed to properly debunk the false accusation. According to Kaleniuk, and a former anti-corruption prosecutor, there is simply no truth to the rumor now spreading like wildfire across the internet."

Examining Trump claim that Hunter Biden got 3.5 USD (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) million from wife of Moscow ex-mayor

The report adds no more details about the significance of any of these transactions, although it notes that Baturina appeared to have benefited from her husband’s allegedly corrupt practices.

Hunter Biden’s lawyer George Mesires said Biden did not get 3.5 USD (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) million and that the report has a key error.

"Hunter Biden had no interest in and was not a co-founder of Rosemont Seneca Thornton, so the claim that he was paid 3.5 USD (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) million is false," Mesires said in an email.

We asked Mesire if he could share documents to show that Hunter Biden was not a co-founder, and he did not respond.

We asked Republican Senate staffers if they could show proof that Biden had a stake in Rosemont Seneca Thornton, and they also declined to respond.

The Senate report cites a Oct. 9, 2019, Financial Times story that says Hunter Biden was a co-founder, but the reporters don’t say in the story how they substantiated that — no source is cited. An email query to the Washington-based reporter on the story went unanswered.

Regardless, the Republican report doesn’t fully support Trump’s claim, because it never shows that Biden got the full 3.5 USD (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) (58 ZAR) million.

Hunter Biden co-founded a firm called Rosemont Seneca in 2009, but the partnership with Thornton — even though it uses the Rosemont Seneca name — could exist without other partners in Rosemont Seneca having a stake. A business partner could have created this entity on his own. Without the ownership documents of Rosemont Seneca Thornton — which are not public — we simply can’t know.

As part of the committee investigation, Republicans on the Senate committees asked the Treasury Department for suspicious-activity reports. These come from banks and other financial institutions and often involve large sums and foreign transactions.

Democratic staff on the Finance and Homeland Security committees said the Republican paper trail doesn’t lead back to Biden.

"Democratic staff has reviewed all known information on file with the committees, however, including the confidential document cited by the Republicans (in the report), and are aware of no information in the committees’ possession showing Hunter Biden had any financial interest in this entity or transaction," they said in a statement.

We asked Republican staff whether Hunter Biden was named in any suspicious activity report. They did not respond.

If we receive clear evidence in the future, we will revisit this, but at this time, proof that Hunter Biden received money through this transaction is unproven.
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Well, can you comment on the FBI raid on Rosemont Seneca Partners and how it connects to the wider concerns with Burisma, then?
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The money did not go to Rosemont Seneca Partners...
 
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greg0205 said:
Sure it is... I just like calling a thing a thing. It gives the sentence the appropriate ponderance and context.

"Actually means little except that there will be hearing" vs "Actually means that there will be a criminal trial"

See?

Much better.
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Not really. Most people know exactly what was said.
I just didn't feel like wasting time on a no nothing news article while on my way to bed. But yeah Kimberly Gardner was up for re-election and thus pushed these charges.

Here is another grand jury story for you.

nypost.com

Netflix indicted by Texas grand jury over ‘Cuties’ film

Netflix has been indicted by a Texas grand jury for allegedly promoting “lewd visual material” of a child in connection to the release of the controversial French film “Cuties.” The grand jury in T…
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