US Election 2020 - Pt 3

[Jabulani22]

One of the most telling parts was Biden saying it was only 14k dead for H1N1 , communists dont care even when its millions of dead.
Well only around 10k died from pure covid19 , so is Biden saying Trump was successful ?

 

[Kieppie]

So we can all agree that over the past two years Antifa/BLM has cost more lives than any terrorist group?

Yet Proud Boys are featuring in the news...

 

[rietrot]

Yes I know that...but that's not what is said in the media, which is the problem.

At this point most people are used to the fake news.

 

[Temujin]

I laughed:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1311278369296719872

Disgusting... old man telling a crying infant to shut up... should be ashamed of himself

 

[Emjay]

Nobody in this thread claimed that it had any bearing on his fitness for office, merely that it was an admirable achievement.

But we are dealing here with Trump supporters, and Trump has been known to mock disabled people, so it's par for course that Emjay should make light of Biden having overcome a stutter to subsequently hold public office.

You should really check out what some of these people have said about Melanie or Ivanka on these forums over the years. Or some of the women around Trump. It's amazing that these gallant defenses are never around when some really below the belt **** is said. But, the Left would not have any standards if it didn't have double standards.

And, where was I mocking Biden? I was actually mocking the OP. Oh, well.

I just want to point out how your logic is just really schoolyard stuff. This is what it comes down to: A said something bad about X, and because B supports some things A does B therefore is the same as A.

Sorry boys. Not a single one of you TDS crazed persons have given an inch the last 4 years. Expecting anything less is just really naïve. I really want Biden to win, because the spectacle of the next 4 years will be completely worth it.

 

[Emjay]

So we can all agree that over the past two years Antifa/BLM has cost more lives than any terrorist group?

Yet Proud Boys are featuring in the news...

It's just amazing to watch. We have had months and months of extreme violence. People being shot for being perceived as Trump supporters, people driving into crowds of people, children being shot in cold blood, rioters shooting randomly into crowds, burning down businesses, blinding cops, crime rates escalating by over double digits etc, etc and these people have been silent. Not a single post or any interest in what's going on.

Then. BAM. Some stupid words which are ambiguous are said in a debate and holy ****. Now everyone is so upset Trump won't condemn the white supremacists and people are mad because of white supremacist violence. This, not even days after Trump has outright said he is going to classify the KKK as a terrorist group. After Trump said this:

Wallace: “are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacist and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities. As we’ve seen in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.”

Trump: “Sure I’m willing to do that.”

What is unclear about that?

Edit:

Even that question. Really? It's like watching the journalists in the press briefings trying to spout off these long complicated questions which are so loaded, it's so difficult to unpack it all.

 

[cerebus]

I think Trump fukked up on that far-right extremist question. They trapped him very cleverly by specifically mentioning the Proud Boys, making him hesitate to condemn outright, since they hover between conservative and extreme.

This will cost him Black and Latino votes IMHO.

He should have just outright condemned far-right extremists and terrorists and immediately mentioned the new law re. KKK and ANTIFA being domestic terrorists.

And then he should have asked Biden to condemn ANTIFA and BLM...although that should have been the "moderator's" job....

He was hesitant to condemn because they are his people. The only times he ever took a strong stand against supremacism were when he was pressed to the point where he couldn’t avoid it; otherwise it’s all dog whistles and very fine people on both sides.

But this time not only did he not condemn the Proud Boys, he foghorned his support for them in a way that they immediately recognized. David Duke and Gavin McInnes were crowing about his ‘endorsement’ this morning. They know whose side he’s on.

 

[buka001]

No since you cannot equate Antifa and the Proud boys. Not even remotely. The few times the Proud Boys have been in altercations it was due to provocation by Antifa. Ironically since they don't hide their identity only they faced any repercussions.

If PB goes somewhere they wave flags, have a beer and go home. Maybe pick up some trash while they are there.

If Antifa goes somewhere things burn.

So you acknowledge that the statement "stand back, stand by" has connotations that do not mean you are condemning the matter?

Took a while to show you your cognitive dissonance on it.

 

[buka001]

This was my point about the flaws in CSIS, Targeting one group does not make you right wing. You could be a white liberal and mail bombs to black republicans and it will be labels a right-wing attack.



Many democrats are against same sex marriage though?


The is speculative.

Conservative is not right wing? Wow

 

[Grant]

Despite being is a stilnox induced haze, after watching some of that debate I'd be surprised if anyone pitched up to vote.
There was trump behaving like a schoolyard bully in primary school, and Biden fumbling along like a jellyfish on a hot pavement.

Calling the president a clown on national TV was very similar to Pelosi ripping up the speech at the end of the SoU speech - I doubt either action served to entice fence sitting voters.

At this point I remain convinced trump will be re-elected. Not because he is a great candidate, but like the previous election, the democrats fielded a crap candidate.
Perhaps the woke democrats should reconsider fielding old wealthy white candidates like Clinton and Biden. It's just not working.

 

[Emjay]

He was hesitant to condemn because they are his people. The only times he ever took a strong stand against supremacism were when he was pressed to the point where he couldn’t avoid it; otherwise it’s all dog whistles and very fine people on both sides.

But this time not only did he not condemn the Proud Boys, he foghorned his support for them in a way that they immediately recognized. David Duke and Gavin McInnes were crowing about his ‘endorsement’ this morning. They know whose side he’s on.

Yes, we all know how you love your doublespeak.

 

[daveza]

Well only around 10k died from pure covid19 , so is Biden saying Trump was successful ?

So 200,000 would still be dead even if there were no Covid-19 .....

 

[Jabulani22]

So 200,000 would still be dead even if there were no Covid-19 .....

Hey i didnt make the number up , the CDC did , take it up with them.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Eh we're talking about hyperhypocrite " Can't credit the man Trump with anything, can you?" @Emjay here, what do you expect?

oh! I think I've seen this episode of How dare You before, it's a remake!

Adult lefties SJWs puts a little girl with a disability up as a figurehead against global warming, get her to shout at people. If somebody dares criticize ... how dare you attack a girl with a disability.

Adult lefties put up somebody that overcame stuttering as president, using that as an excuse for him losing his way in logical speech. If somebody dares criticize ... how dare you attack a stutterer.

 

[daveza]

Hey i didnt make the number up , the CDC did , take it up with them.

COVID-19 Deaths Are Mostly Caused By Coronavirus

Why saying that only 6% of deaths are caused by the coronavirus is misleading and wrong

medium.com

One way of looking at the precise number is to ask how many COVID-19 deaths had coronavirus as the UNDERLYING cause. That is, the cause that precipitated any other issues, or the thing that actually killed a person. The CDC has actually estimated this, and puts it at >95% of all COVID-19 deaths, meaning that the vast majority of deaths recorded as caused by coronavirus in the U.S. were caused by COVID-19.

I'm really not sure how anyone dies from Covid-19 as opposed to Covid-related organ failure.

 

[Kieppie]

So you acknowledge that the statement "stand back, stand by" has connotations that do not mean you are condemning the matter?

Took a while to show you your cognitive dissonance on it.

I think you're the one with cognitive dissonance? Why should he condemn Proud Boys? I think both you and Cerby should go read what I posted earlier about Gavin. Since neither of you seem to get that there is no relation between them and a hate group.

 

[Kieppie]

Conservative is not right wing? Wow

Ok seems that the whole argument went over your head. I'm a little disappointed. You literally just proved my point

 

[Pegasus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1311338652107243521

 

[Pegasus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1300925774581596160

 

[Emjay]

I think you're the one with cognitive dissonance? Why should he condemn Proud Boys? I think both you and Cerby should go read what I posted earlier about Gavin. Since neither of you seem to get that there is no relation between them and a hate group.

Trump should just respond that they “an idea, not an organization.”

If we had a non-partisan referee in these debates, Biden would have been asked if he condemned BLM. Or condemned the people calling for violence over replacing RBG. Or the constant articles telling us how much more violence there will be if Biden does not win.

But, hypocrisy reigns.