US Election 2020 - The Result

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DavidFreeman

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Dominion withdraws from PA committee hearing; Data Scientist: 90k ballots in PA 'red flag' | NTD​

Better to not drop hints in a left-wing echo chamber. Don't let them down easy. Let them distract themselves with childish things that are meaningless... right up until it all comes crashing down on them.

You'll never get anywhere with TDS geniuses who have been mislead by the dishonest media for years. They know far too much that isn't true at this point.

Even when they see the overwhelming evidence of fraud, and that the media covered it up, they still won't be able to acknowledge that they've believed fabricated stories for years.
 

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The report goes on to note that one Trump aide described Giuliani’s attempt to overturn the election with accusations of fraud as a “f*cking pile of garbage.
I dunno, the second episode of the Rudy show was pretty entertaining. The first one, "4 Seasons" was funny but not as action packed.

The second episode, with guest star Sydney Powell, had aspects of Dumb and Dumber, My Cousin Vinny, The Walking Dead, White Chicks and The West Wing.
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Wow, so all debate just stops. Just like that. Trump won and the debate continued for 4 years genius.

But hey let's all listen to Chunk20 he says all debate must end now :laugh: Bunch of genius' on the left....
Thanks genius this is not the 2016 election results it's the 2020 results, if you find reading hard that's fine there is nothing to debate Biden won by a very big margin that is just a fact.

Atleast the so called left know how numbers work
 

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This is no laughing matter though.

[This is going to be a bit of an essay - I don't know how accurate it all is, but it is my take on the matter. It's probably not even the whole story.]



There is a reason why Trump was able to easily get his hooks into these people. The average American worker really is desperate for a return to the days when a hardworking person could earn an honest and prosperous living in a good old American factory. A time when they did not see immigrants from poor countries happily take the remaining menial jobs for less pay. Of course the whole lot are basically immigrant for the most part if you go back a few generations. A whole debate can be had around that point alone.

The thing for the endangered American blue collar worker right here at this point in time is this though.

"Bill Clinton's" policy changes with regards to open trade with China as well as NAFTA really did pull the rug out from underneath their feet.
It doesn't matter that "Nixon" laid the foundations to open trade with China, and "Reagan" normalised relations which got that ball rolling.
It doesn't matter that NAFTA was "Reagan's" brain child, "Bush Sr" negotiated it, and "Clinton" was merely left holding the pen.

Mr Clinton put ink to paper. That is all that matters to them.

[If you noticed the quotes - They are there for a reason. What the money wants - The money gets.]

All the American worker knew and still know, is that they are desperate. Filled with dread for their own futures. And somebody was dangling mighty hopeful looking bait.
Somebody they put Mrs Clinton up against to run. The wife of "the villain" in the story of their own waning prosperity. It didn't help that she had been idealistically pushing real hard for all forms of globalisation for almost all her adult life.
In reality any old angler fish could win that race on that alone. Too bad the biggest one that came along had the ambitions of a despot.
But even that played in his favour. The situation had, for them, deteriorated to the point where a Despot was looking like a somewhat viable option.
Believing that their last hope might just be a king, a "strong man", a "conquering emperor".
Strong enough to fix all their woes.
A veritable Marvel'esque super hero.
A new religion.
A few catchy dog whistles.

All too easy.
They say all the world is a stage. American politics certainly reaffirms that notion. Too bad not enough people see that the bit of the stage located in the US is actually made up of the backs of the American blue collar worker. But then... At one point it was the backs of slaves. Who's backs are next I wonder? Will there be any more backs?

To any reasonable and objective observer, Trump very likely used them as political cannon fodder.
All the right promises were made. But...
Mexicans didn't pay for the wall.
What did get wrought at the border is basically just a shinier sieve.
Coal's prospects have never looked worse. But then... That was never a victim of globalisation. Rather of automation and technological progress. A clever little diversification on an already chaotic theme.
Trump's "tough stance" on China had more to do with opening up the Chinese banking and insurance market to American investors than anything else. And China is still not playing fair.
The deal that replaced NAFTA, is so similar to NAFTA, that they might as well have kept the old name.
The factories did not return.
As much social protection and assistance as possible has been terminated. They have even been incensed against the notion.
Trump even dismantled unions and safety and environmental regulations designed to protect them. (not that the unions didn't play a wilfully ignorant role in this sad story)

He managed to convince them that, if only they would forego as much support as possible (extraneous, and "suspiciously communist" expenses) - Then he would save them.

For all that... He was the first person this century who managed to really convince them, deep in their hearts, that they still have a chance. For all that it was clearly just another Trump™ con.
And they've been running blindly on that hope ever since.

American politics since the Reagan/Thatcher era really is more tragedy than anything else.
Little more than a Plutocracy.
And although I find the cognitive dissonance among Trump supporters tragic, in some cases I even despise it - I do understand.

And now the US stands - A country divided - An unbearably uncomfortable standoff.

The world, and certainly the US itself, should hope that Biden does better.
Desperation can get very ugly.
With the 4IR, and environmental change, looming it could get much worse.

And Mrs Clinton seems to have been right in the end - We're all in this together.
It's still somewhat funny, because at some stage they were those looked down upon immigrants taking the low paying jobs. Now those third and fourth generation residents are complaining about the foreigners taking their jobs. #learntocode

The caller is complaining that Trump is the only one that cares when Trump is using the position to look after his own interests.

Trump divided the country with his combative ways. Biden can do better in terms of not widening the chasm, and hopefully narrowing the divide, between conservatives and liberals if he doesn't run his mouth and stay in a constant battle with everyone outside his inner circle and his voter base.
 

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It's still somewhat funny, because at some stage they were those looked down upon immigrants taking the low paying jobs. Now those third and fourth generation residents are complaining about the foreigners taking their jobs. #learntocode

The caller is complaining that Trump is the only one that cares when Trump is using the position to look after his own interests.

Trump divided the country with his combative ways. Biden can do better in terms of not widening the chasm, and hopefully narrowing the divide, between conservatives and liberals if he doesn't run his mouth and stay in a constant battle with everyone outside his inner circle and his voter base.
Gallows humour to be fair.

And it does nothing to bridge the divide.
When groups of people are being led around and set against each other using fear as a whip - It is all too easy to focus only on the ugly, but forget that fear makes people stupid, hateful and ugly.
When the working class, including the formerly oppressed, are used up who will remain? The middle class? We've seen how well that is working here in sunny South Africa. And then?

Should the battle between the "left" and the "right" just be allowed to keep on taking turns making things incrementally worse?

What is needed is for their politicians (as our own do) to stop thinking in broad ideological terms. They have to find a pragmatic balance, a compromise, that works for everybody. Which is why we should all probably be happy that Mrs Clinton never got a chance, for all that her end goals are by and large idealistic. Even though she would have been better than Trump. That really was a devil's choice.
One individual's ideal will usually be another's oppression. The last four years have shown that fear is eminently easy to exploit. That is something all sides need to guard against.
They have to give 50/50 priority between economy and the happiness of their people - All of their people. Wealth vs Smiles. And they have to go about it honestly and honourably and sustainably.

Easy-peasy [sic]
 
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