US Election 2020 - The Result

[surface]

Your memory is poor. She lost because she called them deplorables.

She also exercised poor judgment in her choice of email server, and that allowed Trump to create a monicker that stuck - Crooked Hilary.

She learned from that mistake and now she is printing fake ballots from hunter's laptop. So not sure what is your point?

 

[buka001]

The question is worded in a way that doesn't require you to be on a side to vote for it.

If it said "who do you want to win the election," thats different

Mind you l never met a Trump supporter in like 5 years here. Dunno if the correct term is cult member or follower, so maybe that's where I we t wrong

Nobody was ever a Trump supporter, they just defended him at all costs and never criticised him for anything. Totally not a Trump supporter.

 

[surface]

Things that didn't happen.

I applaud.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Your links made it sound like it was pure lies and disinformation that lost Florida. It wasn't. Dems are fundamentally out of touch with the conservative Latinos and they are the majority of the Latino vote in Florida.

Why do you think so? I never said that, so bit weird to assume that.

And it's not really strange that they're 'out of touch' with conservative voters, is it? They're not the conservative party. Republicans are out of touch with liberal Latinos, because duh.

The Reddit thread I linked to also explains the reason why Latinos in places like Arizona and Cali vote blue while Latinos in Florida vote red. Cali/Arizona Latinos are majority Mexican, in Florida they are majority Cuban. These people are very different.

Yes, exactly.

This, from September, is really good on the non-monolith of the Latino voter.

There’s No Such Thing As The ‘Latino Vote’

With only 42 days left until the election, Joe Biden has his work cut out for him with Latino voters. That’s according to his senior adviser Symone Sanders, who…

fivethirtyeight.com

Or if you're really interested, this book is apparently very good. I haven't quite decided whether to read it, heh.

The Hispanic Republican: The Shaping of an American Political Identity, from Nixon to Trump: Cadava, Geraldo: 9780062946348: Amazon.com: Books

The Hispanic Republican: The Shaping of an American Political Identity, from Nixon to Trump [Cadava, Geraldo] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. The Hispanic Republican: The Shaping of an American Political Identity, from Nixon to Trump

www.amazon.com

 

[cerebus]

Your links made it sound like it was pure lies and disinformation that lost Florida. It wasn't. Dems are fundamentally out of touch with the conservative Latinos and they are the majority of the Latino vote in Florida.

The Reddit thread I linked to also explains the reason why Latinos in places like Arizona and Cali vote blue while Latinos in Florida vote red. Cali/Arizona Latinos are majority Mexican, in Florida they are majority Cuban. These people are very different.

Well... yes BUT it needs to be qualified quite a lot. Biden stated that they were keenly aware of their problems with Floridian Latinos and the general issue of Latinx diversity. He got reamed for his phrasing but his intention was correct.

Biden: Latino community is diverse, ‘unlike the African American community’

President Donald Trump quickly attacked Biden over the remark.

www.politico.com

"Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things," Biden said. "You go to Florida, you find a very different attitude about immigration than you do in Arizona. So it's a very diverse community."

Also, as OD pointed out the Cuban community were absolutely bombarded with propaganda in the time before the election. News outlets were sweating the vote. I think the polls failed to pick it up adequately because they had Biden up by 5 or so.

Anyway they need to do more to connect with these groups, no doubt about it. The Miami-Dade swing was the biggest win Trump had this election and it resulted in a lot of premature celebrations.

 

[surface]

Nobody was ever a Trump supporter, they just defended him at all costs and never criticised him for anything. Totally not a Trump supporter.

These #BlackEvangelicalMuslimsForTrump are quite something. That is my learning on this thread.

 

[HunterNW]

She learned from that mistake and now she is printing fake ballots from hunter's laptop. So not sure what is your point?

Keep my laptop out of this ?

 

[konfab]

Use ranked-choice or 'single transferable vote' voting, enabling people outside established parties to take part and have a shot without voters feeling like they'd be wasting their vote.

There is actually some maths behind this.

Stated more fully, Arrow proved that it’s impossible to devise any method of discovering the preferences of two or more persons and then aggregating these preferences into a single set of preferences of the sort that is possessed by each individual person.

Another way to put Arrow’s point is to say that it is a gross error to anthropomorphize a group of people, even when that group makes collective decisions according to democratic norms.

Perhaps the single best way to see why such anthropomorphization is an error is to consider what Arrow identified for each individual decision-maker as being the “irrelevance of independent alternatives.” The language here is confusingly technical, but the idea is not – as revealed by this example that I steal from a lecture given a few years ago by my colleague Alex Tabarrok.

Suppose that you have a hankering for a scoop of ice cream. To satisfy this hankering, you stroll into a diner and ask the waiter what flavors of ice cream are available. The waiter replies, “We have vanilla and chocolate.” You weigh these two options for a moment and then tell the waiter, “Please give me a scoop of vanilla.” But just as the waiter is about to serve the vanilla to you, he says, “Oh, I almost forgot. We also have strawberry ice cream.”

How would you, a rational individual, respond upon learning of this additional alternative? You might respond by saying, “Wonderful! I love strawberry! Give me a scoop of strawberry instead.” If you respond in this way, no one would think you odd.

But suppose that you instead respond by telling the waiter, “Oh, now that I know that strawberry is also an option, please change my order from vanilla to chocolate.” If you respond in this way, everyone would think you to be crazy-odd. Normal – “rational” – individuals don’t react in such a manner. An individual who prefers vanilla to chocolate does not come to prefer chocolate to vanilla upon learning of the availability of strawberry.

Yet in political elections such ‘preference shifting’ is neither unusual nor an indication of irrational or otherwise inexplicable behavior on the part of anyone.

For example, it’s quite possible that Ross Perot’s 1992 candidacy for the U.S. presidency – by taking more popular votes from Pres. George H.W. Bush than from Gov. Bill Clinton – swung the election from Bush to Clinton. If the American people were a creature with a will – if the American people were a giant sentient being – it’s as if this creature walked into a polling place in November 1992 and asked “What presidential options do you have?” Upon being told “Bush and Clinton,” this American People creature replied, “Give me a Bush!” But then upon learning that there is available also a Perot, the creature changed its mind and said, “Oh, well in that case, give me a Clinton!”

No rational being behaves in such a way.

https://www.aier.org/article/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-people/

Ranked choice partly solves this problem


Math warning here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem

 

[daveza]

I’m pretty sure a smart, highly educated woman who’s graduated top 1% of her Harvard class and who definitely isn’t a bimbo won’t have any trouble finding a lucrative job.

Top 1 % and all she does is lie for a living ?

 

[Brontosaurus]

Why would people flee a socialist country? I thought free healthcare and high taxes solved all the problems in world.

The exodus from a socialist country is not what I was talking about, at all.

It's about Republican's propaganda that if you elect a moderate, maybe slightly left president, that it'll become the USSR in no time proper! In that, the Republican party was very convincing of.

 

[konfab]

Nobody was ever a Trump supporter, they just defended him at all costs and never criticised him for anything. Totally not a Trump supporter.

Does this mean I have to burn my maga hat?

 

[daveza]

 

[azbob]

Top 1 % and all she does is lie for a living ?

Please learn from my mistakes. She’s a highly intelligent and successful woman. There’s no need for her to be treated this way just because we fear successful women. So what if Paw Patrol corrected her.

 

[konfab]

The exodus from a socialist country is not what I was talking about, at all.

It's about Republican's propaganda that if you elect a moderate, maybe slightly left president, that it'll become the USSR in no time proper! In that, the Republican party was very convincing of.

Who said it would happen overnight?
Government programs are like herpes, once you establish them, they don't go away.

 

[thestaggy]

Well... yes BUT it needs to be qualified quite a lot. Biden stated that they were keenly aware of their problems with Floridian Latinos and the general issue of Latinx diversity. He got reamed for his phrasing but his intention was correct.

Biden: Latino community is diverse, ‘unlike the African American community’

President Donald Trump quickly attacked Biden over the remark.

www.politico.com

Also, as OD pointed out the Cuban community were absolutely bombarded with propaganda in the time before the election. News outlets were sweating the vote. I think the polls failed to pick it up adequately because they had Biden up by 5 or so.

Anyway they need to do more to connect with these groups, no doubt about it. The Miami-Dade swing was the biggest win Trump had this election and it resulted in a lot of premature celebrations.

You mean the Republicans campaigned on issues the Cuban community felt strongly about?

I say again; Dems blanketed the Latino vote and thought it was an easy win. It wasn't.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Just to correct some misinformation - that number of registered voters going around per state was outdated (picture on the right).

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Latinos from Cuba know all about socialism, and they don't like it!

US conservatives of all stripes love socialism. What do you think their opinion of Social Security and Medicare is?

Also, Florida voted with 65%+ to double the minimum wage.

Golly.

Why don't you rather say, "Tut tut, they didn't know what they were voting for. They were just too uneducated and ignorant to know they were being lied to. What a shame. Maybe when they develop a little more, and become more educated, they'll vote blue."

Do you see the condescension? The arrogance? People only vote conservative because they were lied to and too stupid to tell the difference?



"We know what's better for you. You'd vote the same as us if you were less ignorant."

Like wow.

Do you want to try that again without the dishonesty?

Again, golly. This attitude of condescension and arrogance is the very reason why Democrats struggle in low income and rural areas.

Buhhhh.

National Exit Polls: How Different Groups Voted (Published 2020)

Estimates from exit polls offer an initial indication of how groups voted on election night.

www.nytimes.com

 

[C4Cat]

Your memory is poor. She lost because she called them deplorables.

She also exercised poor judgment in her choice of email server, and that allowed Trump to create a monicker that stuck - Crooked Hilary.

@Ancalagon and @NarrowBandFtw ... This one is dedicated to you

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1324513503294582785

 

[Mach III]

Does this mean I have to burn my maga hat?

No, You can buy the new version, DADA

Destroy American Democracy Again

 

[Verde]

I used to think that.

But I think recognising non-participation as a valid choice for people instead of ignoring it is a far better system. Forcing everyone to vote simply gives bad parties legitimacy.

"None of the above" should be an option on every ballot.
If it gets the most votes all the parties should be forced to nominate new candidates for a do-over.