US Embassy raises alarm of 'possible terrorist attack' in Sandton

[Cosmik Debris]

Yeah, you not really as smart as you think you are. All those comments stated the source was the US so you actually just making my point. So thanks.

Nope. @Impala post #250 from a source in the SSA:

An impeccable source close to the State Security Agency (SSA) told News24 that the spook outfit was given information by their American counterparts, but neglected to include it in intelligence products, and had cut their political principal, Minister Mondli Gungubele, out of the loop.

It is understood that none of the weekly briefing documents sent to the Union Buildings included these alerts.

The source said that SSA operatives were "scrambling" to gather intelligence, adding that peace talks between warring parties in the Tigray region of Ethiopia currently underway in Pretoria could have been a potential target.

US Embassy raises alarm of 'possible terrorist attack' in Sandton

Who started it? I saw a TimesLive article headlined, https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2022-09-26-listen-big-nose-got-r1bn-from-white-people-to-be-president-malema-accuses-ramaphosa/ Odd name-calling with these peeps. I have never thought Ramaphosa to have had a big nose, but I assumed it...

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[neoprema]

if yes, why we are in BRICS?

PS: look at your SA passport, can you go to any western country "visa free"?

I use my EU passport for that. But I know what you mean but it being in BRICS is still no reason for the US not to maintain a strategic and mutual relationship.

 

[Impala]

Yeah, you not really as smart as you think you are. All those comments stated the source was the US so you actually just making my point. So thanks.

Quick to insult someone else, but did you actually read the various articles related to this? Maybe you should put your bias aside and assess this by looking at all the opinions on this.

Don't be a sheep

 

[Sinbad]

Not in Syria? ISIS stands for Islamic State In Syria. Known there as Daesh. But Al Shabaab, Al Queada, PAGAD, Qibla and others are all linked anyway

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

Actually. Sometimes they substitute Syria for the Levant hence isis.

 

[Gyre]

The fact that most of the meat you buy except for pork is Halaal due to pressure and this type of expansionist threat:

1 guy is demanding?

Are not you DEMANDING things not be halaal?

 

[Willie Trombone]

Not in Syria? ISIS stands for Islamic State In Syria. Known there as Daesh. But Al Shabaab, Al Queada, PAGAD, Qibla and others are all linked anyway

Daesh is considered derogatory by ISIL sympathizers.

 

[Fulcrum29]

This is why the CIA liaison officer requests a meeting with the SSA liaison officer where the CIA discusses what they have found. The SSA liaison officer then relays this information to operational management which will indicate to the SSA liaison officer that they need the CIA to stand down for x amount of time.

The reason the CIA did not stand down is most probably because of the reputation of the SSA and because it concerns their own citizens directly.

In the case that source stated the truth,

South African law-enforcement operatives were just weeks away from arresting at least nine Islamic State operatives.

I guess that the Americans couldn't allow x because the threat was deemed imminent by them hence the notice.

The one part which doesn’t add up is the ministry not being kept in the loop, it is strange or otherwise 'sources' are spinning. Who knows, perhaps there are insiders. I read yesterday how captured the Western Cape police have become, and it isn't anything new, but it is getting worse.

All I know is, the alleged terrorists need to be apprehended in good time, otherwise they will only grow smarter. Regardless, it would be quite the mess should the Americans have disrupted the SSA's progress without probable cause.

 

[AfricanTech]

The fact that most of the meat you buy except for pork is Halaal due to pressure and this type of expansionist threat:

Really?

My observations in the local Spar, Checkers, Woolworths and PnP is that about 95 percent of the meat products in the fridges and freezers (excluding chicken) are not halaal.

And that's in the greater Cape Town area which has a large Muslim population.

Province's and towns to the North that drops even lower.

The Muslim community relies mostly on local Muslim butcheries and the occasional single halal fridge in the larger grocery stores.

Steers and McDonald's went halal 'cos there market research must have shown that it's easier than not doing so.

 

[Fulcrum29]

OT, but this is troubling,

28s gang ‘capture’ top Western Cape cops, prosecutors’ lives at risk – judge sounds corruption alarm​

A rattling high court judgment says evidence points to 28s gangsters having wormed their way into the Western Cape’s cop management, accessing Crime Intelligence reports and meetings during which policing strategies are discussed.​

The evidence suggests not only a capture of some lower-ranking officers in the [South African Police Service] SAPS.

“The evidence suggests that the senior management of the SAPS in the province has been penetrated to the extent that the 28 gang has access to the table where the Provincial Commissioner of the SAPS in the Western Cape sits with his senior managers and lead them in the study of crime, develop crime prevention strategies and decide on tactics and approach to the safety and security of inhabitants of the Western Cape.

“This includes penetration of and access to the sanctity of the reports by specialised units like the Anti-Gang Unit and Crime Intelligence, to the Provincial Commissioner.”

with issues like this within our policing services, how are our security clusters to be trusted?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Nope.

Actually Islamic State of Iraq and Syria:

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), also known as ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), is a Sunni jihadist group with a particularly violent ideology that calls itself a caliphate and claims religious authority over all Muslims. It was inspired by al Qaida but later publicly expelled from it. RAND terrorism experts have analyzed the group's financing, management, and organization ...

The Islamic State (Terrorist Organization)

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), also known as ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), is a Sunni jihadist group with a particularly violent ideology that calls itself a caliphate and claims religious authority over all Muslims. It was inspired by al Qaida but later publicly expelled...

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[DreamKing]

I use my EU passport for that. But I know what you mean but it being in BRICS is still no reason for the US not to maintain a strategic and mutual relationship.

I just want to point out that SA is NOT an ally of US.

nothing else.

 

[ToxicBunny]

OT, but this is troubling,



with issues like this within our policing services, how are our security clusters to be trusted?

It's troubling in a way yes but entirely not surprising.. We don't have a police force anymore, merely an entity that doesn't fulfill its mandate.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant

Actually. Sometimes they substitute Syria for the Levant hence isis.

Fixed

 

[Cosmik Debris]

1 guy is demanding?

Are not you DEMANDING things not be halaal?

Not at all. It doesn't affect me. I see meat as protein, not a religious construct with taboos and rituals placed on it.

But the percentage of Halaal people in SA is about 1.5% and the other 98.5% have to eat their meat. So who is forcing their wors and why couldn't they have their own butcheries and abattoirs instead of insisting that the rest of the country conforms to their rules?

I resist religion imposing any rules on me on principle of freedom from the rules or religion guaranteed to me in the SA Constitution.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I just want to point out that SA is NOT an ally of US.

nothing else.

Explain this then:

Exercise Shared Accord, planned and executed by the United States Army Southern European Task Force, Africa, features several key exercises occurring simultaneously -- a medical training exercise, a field training exercises and a training segment called Judicious Activation -- all designed to promote security cooperation and interoperability between the United States and South Africa.​

U.S., South Africa militaries begin Exercise Shared Accord 2022 in KwaZulu-Natal

Exercise Shared Accord, planned and executed by the United States Army Southern European Task Force, Africa, features several key exercises occurring simultaneously -- a medical training exercise, a field training exercises and a training segment called Judicious Activation -- all designed to...

setaf-africa.army.mil

 

[RonSwanson]

It seems that everyone is thinking that it is Islamic state will be doing the attacks. I really doubt this - they have no local active support in Muslim community. There may be some financial support but no support on the ground.

You are either being paid by them to feed counter-intelligence to the masses, or you are living under a rock.

 

[Wut]

Not at all. It doesn't affect me. I see meat as protein, not a religious construct with taboos and rituals placed on it.

But the percentage of Halaal people in SA is about 1.5% and the other 98.5% have to eat their meat. So who is forcing their wors and why couldn't they have their own butcheries and abattoirs instead of insisting that the rest of the country conforms to their rules?

I resist religion imposing any rules on me on principle of freedom from the rules or religion guaranteed to me in the SA Constitution.

Where are you shopping? Hardly ever see Halal meat over here in the EC. Only a few prepackaged meat items are marked as Halal.

 

[RonSwanson]

Really?

My observations in the local Spar, Checkers, Woolworths and PnP is that about 95 percent of the meat products in the fridges and freezers (excluding chicken) are not halaal.

And that's in the greater Cape Town area which has a large Muslim population.

Province's and towns to the North that drops even lower.

The Muslim community relies mostly on local Muslim butcheries and the occasional single halal fridge in the larger grocery stores.

Steers and McDonald's went halal 'cos there market research must have shown that it's easier than not doing so.

My own observations differ from yours, I unpacked my grocery cupboard a few weeks ago and around 80-90% of the items had the Halaal certification mark. The only ones that didn't were received as gifts, or bought from independent farm stalls. The market revenue for the global halal food industry is projected to be $2.04 trillion by 2027 (per Statistica). Its scope is not only food, it covers supplements, sugar, female makeup, beverages, nail polish, industrial and financial products. Halaal is huge.

 

[RonSwanson]

Explain this then:

Exercise Shared Accord, planned and executed by the United States Army Southern European Task Force, Africa, features several key exercises occurring simultaneously -- a medical training exercise, a field training exercises and a training segment called Judicious Activation -- all designed to promote security cooperation and interoperability between the United States and South Africa.​

U.S., South Africa militaries begin Exercise Shared Accord 2022 in KwaZulu-Natal

Exercise Shared Accord, planned and executed by the United States Army Southern European Task Force, Africa, features several key exercises occurring simultaneously -- a medical training exercise, a field training exercises and a training segment called Judicious Activation -- all designed to...

setaf-africa.army.mil

Diplomacy.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Where are you shopping? Hardly ever see Halal meat over here in the EC. Only a few prepackaged meat items are marked as Halal.

It very much depends on the area you're in.. Kzn has a huge halal presence.. Even many fast food places are halal, though that is slowly changing as more people push back on the idea.