ShaunSA
Derailment Squad
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How do you know the threat wasn't credible?
I'm not sure about anyone else. But when I first read the OP I went "That's a duck!"
Note how I responded with
How do you know the threat wasn't credible?
Absolutely. There is a bullshitmeter scale from pork pies to weapons of mass destruction. Then there is the special category for love letters to orange lard.Are you aware of how information is evaluated for veracity and assigned credibility by the intelligence services?
I'm not an old man. Middle aged fart is a better description. Thanks.So it came to nothing.
How do we not know that the US Embassies Intelligence was not based off some drunken old man prank calling them?
I agree that they are more political these days than concerned about the real well-being of the population, however, you will also notice that there was no terror attack this past weekend either."On the balance of probabilities" means more likely than not. It is far more likely that the SSA was made aware of it, and simply threw the message away. They have proven themselves time and time again to be completely disengaged with their real mandate and instead focus and align their activities on the political objectives of their ANC handlers, and supporting factional battles within the ANC.
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PUBLIC PROTECTOR IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY: State Security Agency directed Mkhwebane’s attempt to rewrite SA Constitution – whistle-blower
In mid-May 2017, Public Protector Busisiwe Mkhwebane, now suspended, emailed an investigator that she was awaiting State Security Agency input on the apartheid-era Absa Bankorp bailout report — and a constitutional amendment on changing the Reserve Bank’s mandate was subsequently included...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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DAYS OF ZONDO: Secret billions poured into State Security Agency to sustain and protect ‘Zuma regime’, claims Acting DG Loyiso Jafta
Testifying on Tuesday, the State Security Agency Acting Director-General, Loyiso Jafta, revealed that an investigation after his appointment in 2018 had turned up billions of rand, either in cash or in assets, that could not be accounted for by the SSA.www.dailymaverick.co.za
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ANALYSIS: Ramaphosa wants the SSA where he can see it — but is that good for the country?
In the wake of the failures of state intelligence revealed by the 2021 July unrest, President Cyril Ramaphosa has moved the State Security Agency to the Presidency where a closer eye can be kept on it. It’s part of a growing centralisation of power which might look fine under Ramaphosa, but...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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OP-ED: State Security Agency has become a source of embarrassment — it’s time for our spies to come in from the cold
Recent years have seen a steady deepening of the relationship between politics and intelligence — one that has encroached upon the latter’s essential independence. As a result, South Africa’s official intelligence capacity can no longer be regarded as a national asset: rather, it seems to be the...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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Analysis: State Security Agency, fingered by Lindiwe Sisulu for ‘harassment’ of department officials, finds itself under investigation for wiretaps
The State Security Agency is under investigation for unlawfully intercepting communications, effectively wiretaps, after now ex-Water, Sanitation and Human Settlements Minister Lindiwe Sisulu repeatedly complained her officials are being harassed. This signals the spooks remain politicised.www.dailymaverick.co.za
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DAYS OF ZONDO, PART FIVE: Investigate Arthur Fraser, David Mahlobo and Thulani Dlomo – State Capture Commission
‘The evidence suggests that this Commission may not in fact have been necessary if the [State Security Agency] detected, fully investigated and countered State Capture as a threat to our constitutional order when the symptoms first appeared,’ said Chief Justice Raymond Zondo in the commission’s...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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SPIES R US: Arthur Fraser opens criminal case against Ramaphosa over alleged multimillion-dollar heist
The former director-general of the State Security Agency who has been heavily implicated in testimony at the State Capture Commission of Inquiry, on Wednesday opened a criminal case against President Cyril Ramaphosa.www.dailymaverick.co.za
Unluckily their counterparts in the US are also bumbling idiots."On the balance of probabilities" means more likely than not. It is far more likely that the SSA was made aware of it, and simply threw the message away. They have proven themselves time and time again to be completely disengaged with their real mandate and instead focus and align their activities on the political objectives of their ANC handlers, and supporting factional battles within the ANC.
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PUBLIC PROTECTOR IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY: State Security Agency directed Mkhwebane’s attempt to rewrite SA Constitution – whistle-blower
In mid-May 2017, Public Protector Busisiwe Mkhwebane, now suspended, emailed an investigator that she was awaiting State Security Agency input on the apartheid-era Absa Bankorp bailout report — and a constitutional amendment on changing the Reserve Bank’s mandate was subsequently included...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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DAYS OF ZONDO: Secret billions poured into State Security Agency to sustain and protect ‘Zuma regime’, claims Acting DG Loyiso Jafta
Testifying on Tuesday, the State Security Agency Acting Director-General, Loyiso Jafta, revealed that an investigation after his appointment in 2018 had turned up billions of rand, either in cash or in assets, that could not be accounted for by the SSA.www.dailymaverick.co.za
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ANALYSIS: Ramaphosa wants the SSA where he can see it — but is that good for the country?
In the wake of the failures of state intelligence revealed by the 2021 July unrest, President Cyril Ramaphosa has moved the State Security Agency to the Presidency where a closer eye can be kept on it. It’s part of a growing centralisation of power which might look fine under Ramaphosa, but...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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OP-ED: State Security Agency has become a source of embarrassment — it’s time for our spies to come in from the cold
Recent years have seen a steady deepening of the relationship between politics and intelligence — one that has encroached upon the latter’s essential independence. As a result, South Africa’s official intelligence capacity can no longer be regarded as a national asset: rather, it seems to be the...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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Analysis: State Security Agency, fingered by Lindiwe Sisulu for ‘harassment’ of department officials, finds itself under investigation for wiretaps
The State Security Agency is under investigation for unlawfully intercepting communications, effectively wiretaps, after now ex-Water, Sanitation and Human Settlements Minister Lindiwe Sisulu repeatedly complained her officials are being harassed. This signals the spooks remain politicised.www.dailymaverick.co.za
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DAYS OF ZONDO, PART FIVE: Investigate Arthur Fraser, David Mahlobo and Thulani Dlomo – State Capture Commission
‘The evidence suggests that this Commission may not in fact have been necessary if the [State Security Agency] detected, fully investigated and countered State Capture as a threat to our constitutional order when the symptoms first appeared,’ said Chief Justice Raymond Zondo in the commission’s...www.dailymaverick.co.za
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SPIES R US: Arthur Fraser opens criminal case against Ramaphosa over alleged multimillion-dollar heist
The former director-general of the State Security Agency who has been heavily implicated in testimony at the State Capture Commission of Inquiry, on Wednesday opened a criminal case against President Cyril Ramaphosa.www.dailymaverick.co.za
Not really conspiracy theories when you look at the US foreign policies and their approach to "countries of concern" over the last few decades. Do some reading that is not limited to blogs or web pages.Wow. You must be racking up lots of miles on those conspiracy theory websites lol.
Unluckily their counterparts in the US are also bumbling idiots.
There have been many explanations for that.I agree that they are more political these days than concerned about the real well-being of the population, however, you will also notice that there was no terror attack this past weekend either.
And no attack - prevention being better than cure, right?Its Sunday evening, Carte Blanche is over, so is the weekend, the US lied as always
Son of Siener: You should go and offer your services to them, such talent cannot be ignored.Absolutely. There is a bullshitmeter scale from pork pies to weapons of mass destruction. Then there is the special category for love letters to orange lard.
Intelligence (and counter-intelligence) is a tough game for any country.Unluckily their counterparts in the US are also bumbling idiots.
Shame, a bit late to the party aren't you? This was so long ago I actually had to go read what the original argument was that you were replying to.Turns out you are actually a whole lot thicker than you even imagined - and beyond what anyone else ever thought possible
Nothing out of the ordinary. Even my company which isn't a pharmaceutical company advised all staff to stay out of Sandton.Skimmed through the thread so not sure if it's been mentioned already, but one of our committee members commented the following this morning in reply to someone linking the News24 article:
"Ja, my skoonsuster werk vir Pfizer. Hul was al almal in Johannesburg te Sandton, maar is gevra om Sandton te verlaat. Almal is laat terugvlieg vanoggend as voorsorgmaatreël."
She further explained that "Pfizer canceled their annual congress in Sandton today regarding Terrorism threats."
Then who would know??? They would not have egg on their face since nobody would know.There have been many explanations for that.
Let me ask you this: What if they had the information, and didn't share it, and there was an attack?
Egg on face better than multiple casualties.Then who would know??? They would not have egg on their face since nobody would know.
Would you give the AN bloody C a break on anything without evidence?There have been many explanations for that.
Let me ask you this: What if they had the information, and didn't share it, and there was an attack?
I'm waiting for the invitation to sort out that kuk at Eksdom first.Son of Siener: You should go and offer your services to them, such talent cannot be ignored.
You forget the murderous commies. Those buggers have sent more dissenting voices to the gulag than I've had a hot meal.Yeah, they caused the deaths of thousands of people (American and Arab) with the war on Iraq, not to mention that they wasted so much money on machinery etc. Probably way more money wastage than the ANC but some here are so deep in the West's ass, they won't see logic on this issue.
No, I said they would NOT have egg on their face because nobody would know they had the intelligence other than themselves. So no, that argument is void.Egg on face better than multiple casualties.
I'm on my way to Slaapstad right now. First port of call is to go take a piss on that yacht. Capitalistic bastards. Wait...Shame, a bit late to the party aren't you? This was so long ago I actually had to go read what the original argument was that you were replying to.
So since the weekend is now past let's examine what happened. Nothing. So just empty statements by the US and their allies. Nobody else, just the US and their allies at the same time that SA is not going to impose the seizure of a mega-yacht. The US are already not happy with SA, among other African countries, for not following suit like blind little puppies and sanctioning Russia.