US Politics and Trump Category IV - I've never even heard of one that big before

Will Trump be impeached?

  • Hell yeah he's guilty as a mofo

    Votes: 40 21.1%
  • He's gonna keep triggering leftards until 2024

    Votes: 112 58.9%
  • Whoever made this poll clearly has no idea how impeachment works

    Votes: 38 20.0%

  • Total voters
    190
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Gingerbeardman

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Shokin was appointed in 2015 iirc. Hunter Biden joined the Burisma board in 2014. Sources are generally a good idea.



Isn't it next week Friday?

And, do you REALLY believe that? MSM drives the narrative, and the narrative now is impeachment at all costs.

Well, some rumours have it that Horowitz is the kind of guy to sweep things under the rug to avoid naming the big names, so we'll see. But I don't see him manufacturing evidence out of nowhere, so I expect we will at least get confirmation that the surveillance of Trump itself had no legal basis for its existence.
 

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Well, some rumours have it that Horowitz is the kind of guy to sweep things under the rug to avoid naming the big names, so we'll see. But I don't see him manufacturing evidence out of nowhere, so I expect we will at least get confirmation that the surveillance of Trump itself had no legal basis for its existence.

Heads are going to explode in this thread.
 

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Shokin was appointed in 2015 iirc. Hunter Biden joined the Burisma board in 2014. Sources are generally a good idea.



Isn't it next week Friday?

And, do you REALLY believe that? MSM drives the narrative, and the narrative now is impeachment at all costs.

OK, I had my facts mixed up. The point is that the investigation into Burisma involved events that preceded Biden's appointment by two years:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...over-period-before-biden-joined-idUSKBN1WC1LV
 

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Heads are going to explode in this thread.

Let's take bets.

I am quite convinced that it's going to be a nothingburger, just like Russiagate.

We already know that the FISA process was abused, and there was no real grounds for granting the warrant. I doubt very much there will be anything else major over and above that.
 

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Fifty years hence, Trump will be celebrated mostly for his work as a reality TV host.

Where are all the AIDS revisionists from the Mbeki era? And the Zuma supporters from a few years back? So it will be with Trump when he leaves office.
 

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OK, I had my facts mixed up. The point is that the investigation into Burisma involved events that preceded Biden's appointment by two years:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...over-period-before-biden-joined-idUSKBN1WC1LV
It's still quite possible that Burisma hired Hunter for the purposes of legal protection and then used their newfound connections to unduly influence an investigation into their business dealings, in which case Biden would still be deep in doodoo. The investigation into Burisma should never have been stopped.
 

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Let's take bets.

I am quite convinced that it's going to be a nothingburger, just like Russiagate.

We already know that the FISA process was abused, and there was no real grounds for granting the warrant. I doubt very much there will be anything else major over and above that.

Probably. They would have arrested someone by now if there was anything interesting.

But I guess it’s all about the suspense.
 

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Let's take bets.

I am quite convinced that it's going to be a nothingburger, just like Russiagate.

We already know that the FISA process was abused, and there was no real grounds for granting the warrant. I doubt very much there will be anything else major over and above that.
Then the odds need to reflect that. If you're certain that it's a nothing burger then you'll be happy to give odds of 1000/1? Or should it be higher?
 

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It's still quite possible that Burisma hired Hunter for the purposes of legal protection and then used their newfound connections to unduly influence an investigation into their business dealings, in which case Biden would still be deep in doodoo. The investigation into Burisma should never have been stopped.

There must be a reason why they paid him that money.
ROI
 

Gingerbeardman

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Let's take bets.

I am quite convinced that it's going to be a nothingburger, just like Russiagate.

We already know that the FISA process was abused, and there was no real grounds for granting the warrant.
The MSM claims otherwise. When they can no longer doubt the illegality of the investigation is when the Russian collusion delusion becomes an incontrovertible fact.

I doubt very much there will be anything else major over and above that.
From Horowitz? Perhaps. But you're forgetting about Durham.


Just like Judge Sullivan in the Flynn trial has a reputation for penalising prosecutorial misconduct, Durham has made a career out of prosecuting bad cops.
 

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We already know that the FISA process was abused, and there was no real grounds for granting the warrant.

In fact we don't know that at all. It's a conspiracy that you keep invoking as a way to discredit not just Mueller, but the entire intelligence community of America. And it's based on a memo by Devin Nunes of all people. And every time it gets pointed out that the FBI investigation of Trump had quite legitimate origins, you ignore that and stick to your narrative.


The central claim of the memo is that the FISA surveillance applications relied on a controversial dossier by former British spy Christopher Steele, whose raw intelligence reports claimed that Trump campaign officials had met with Russians and that Russian intelligence had information sufficient to blackmail Donald Trump. Steele was a Russia expert for MI6 and had provided credible information to the FBI in the past.

The Nunes memo does not say Steele’s dossier was the only piece of information used to establish probable cause that Page was acting as a foreign agent. Indeed, when FBI agents submit a FISA application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, they use information from multiple sources, according to current and former FBI officials. What’s more, the same information is not used over and over to extend surveillance under FISA. Instead, every 90 days, the FBI, as a matter of practice, shows evidence to the court that agents are obtaining foreign intelligence information through the surveillance that is in line with the initial FISA application.

According to the Nunes memo, the FBI received three 90-day extensions to monitor Page’s communications under FISA authority. This would have required the FBI to show Justice Department lawyers and the FISA court judge that Page’s intercepted communications included relevant foreign intelligence information. In fact, according to the memo, two Trump appointees at the Justice Department — Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Dana Boente, who served as acting attorney general after Trump fired Sally Yates — reviewed this information and signed off on submissions to the FISA court.

What’s more, it’s highly doubtful that the FISA court judge would not have known about Steele by the time Page’s surveillance came up for renewal, as the Nunes memo suggests. BuzzFeed published Steele’s dossier in full in January 2017.

“Steele was out there. He was in the press at this time,” said Faiza Patel, co-director of the Brennan Center’s Liberty and National Security Program. “It’s ridiculous to believe that the judge had no idea who Steele was as this is being renewed over and over again.”

According to reports from journalists, unnamed Democrats on the committee have already begun to dispute the memo’s claim that the Steele dossier was an “essential part” of the evidentiary basis for the warrant applications.
 

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In fact we don't know that at all. It's a conspiracy that you keep invoking as a way to discredit not just Mueller, but the entire intelligence community of America. And it's based on a memo by Devin Nunes of all people. And every time it gets pointed out that the FBI investigation of Trump had quite legitimate origins, you ignore that and stick to your narrative.

See Emjay? :sneaky:

And btw, Andrew McCabe testified under oath that without the Steele Dossier they would not have approached the FISA court for a warrant.

The Nunes memo asserted that Andrew McCabe testified to the House Intelligence Committee that "no surveillance warrant [on Carter Page] would have been sought from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) without the Steele dossier information," but because McCabe testified in classified session, no transcript has yet been released to verify this assertion. In a CNN interview, McCabe asserted "that House Republicans twisted his answers":


We started the investigations without the dossier. We were proceeding with the investigations before we ever received that information.... Was the dossier material important to the package? Of course, it was. As was every fact included in that package. Was it the majority of what was in the package? Absolutely not.[288]
The legal issue here is that there is good cause to show that the FBI knew the dossier was a bunch of bull, but they lied to the FISA court and told the court they had no reason to doubt the veracity of the information, that it had been verified etc. etc.

And in the case of George Papapopoulis, it is relatively easy to show that he was subjected to an entrapment operation courtesy of Western intelligence agencies, and that this entrapment attempt accounts for all of the supposed evidence against him that would warrant an investigation. Brennan and Clapper got some 'splainin to do.
 

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In fact we don't know that at all. It's a conspiracy that you keep invoking as a way to discredit not just Mueller, but the entire intelligence community of America. And it's based on a memo by Devin Nunes of all people. And every time it gets pointed out that the FBI investigation of Trump had quite legitimate origins, you ignore that and stick to your narrative.


Russiagate did that on its own. MSM and old Pencil Neck helped too.
 

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The Russia Fake News and Conspiracy.
The Ukraine Fake News and Conspiracy.
The Impeachment Fake News and Conspiracy.

The Demtards: The party of Fake News and Conspiracies.
 

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LeBron James Bends the Knee to China

James insisted that Morey was talking out of turn, about something the MIT grad didn’t really know about, and that he should watch what he says or posts because it might reflect poorly on the league. There is a cadre of people who are disappointed in James, who has spoken on a lot of other, more familiar issues during his time in the league.

Over the last few years, LeBron has let his feelings about President Trump be known far and wide, regarding him with open contempt to every reporter who asks and famously calling the president a “bum” when he made shitty political hay out of the Warriors skipping their White House visit.

Shut up and dribble!

:ROFL:

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