US Politics and Trump Category IV - I've never even heard of one that big before

Will Trump be impeached?

  • Hell yeah he's guilty as a mofo

    Votes: 40 21.1%

  • He's gonna keep triggering leftards until 2024

    Votes: 112 58.9%

  • Whoever made this poll clearly has no idea how impeachment works

    Votes: 38 20.0%
  • Total voters
    190
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lumeer said:
Trump will be a far worse president in his second term, should he ever get to serve a second term, because the one thing that's keeping him in check in his first term is that he wants to be re-elected and so can't go all-out nuclear with trade wars and what. But in a second term, he'll have nothing to lose and will enact a scorched-earth policy to be spiteful and make his poor successor, who'll have to pick up the pieces, look bad.
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The other day I watched two veteran journalists who had covered Watergate, being interviewed on CNN. One of them predicted that the next great controversy around Trump will be when President Pence pardons him.
 
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lumeer said:
The other day I watched two veteran journalists who had covered Watergate, being interviewed on CNN. One of them predicted that the next great controversy around Trump will be when President Pence pardons him.
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You watch CNN, no wonder you have trump derangement syndrome :X3:
 
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Butt-dialed.

Old-man Rudy managed to butt-dial an NBC journalist.

He probably sat on his phone and it dialed a recent call number from... an NBC journalist.

He can be heard talking for three minutes, after butt-dialing an NBC journalist.

Talking about trashing Joe Biden and needing lotsa cash, on a butt-dailed call to... an NBC journalist.

You can't learn this kinda stupid, you have to be born with it.

Late in the evening on Oct. 16, Rudy Giuliani made a phone call to this reporter.

The fact that Giuliani was reaching out wasn’t remarkable. He and the reporter had spoken earlier that night for a story about his ties toa fringe Iranian opposition group.

But this call, it would soon become clear, wasn’t a typical case of a source following up with a reporter.

The call came in at 11:07 p.m. and went to voicemail; the reporter was asleep.

The next morning, a message exactly three minutes long was sitting in his voicemail. In the recording, the words tumbling out of Giuliani’s mouth were not directed at the reporter. He was speaking to someone else, someone in the same room.

Giuliani can be heard discussing overseas dealings and lamenting the need for cash, though it's difficult to discern the full context of the conversation.

The call appeared to be one of the most unfortunate of faux pas: what is known, in casual parlance, as a butt dial.

And it wasn’t the first time it had happened.

“You know,” Giuliani says at the start of the recording. “Charles would have a hard time with a fraud case ‘cause he didn’t do any due diligence.”

It wasn’t clear who Charles is, or who may have been implicated in a fraud. In fact, much of the message’s first minute is difficult to comprehend, in part because the voice of the other man in the conversation is muffled and barely intelligible.

But then Giuliani says something that’s crystal clear.

"Let's get back to business."

He goes on.

"I gotta get you to get on Bahrain."

Giuliani is well-connected in the Kingdom of Bahrain.

Last December, he visited the Persian Gulf nation and had a one-on-one meeting with King Hamad Bin Isa al-Khalifa in the royal palace. “King receives high-level U.S. delegation,” read the headline of the state-run Bahrain News Agency blurb about the visit.

Giuliani runs a security consulting company, but it’s not clear why he would have a meeting with Bahrain’s king. Was he acting in his capacity as a consultant? As Trump’s lawyer? Or as an international fixer running a shadow foreign policy for the president?

In May, Giuliani told the Daily Beast his firm had signed a deal with Bahrain to advise its police force on counter-terrorism measures. But the Bahrain News Agency account of the meeting suggested Giuliani was viewed more like an ambassador than a security consultant. “HM the King praised the longstanding Bahraini-U.S. relations, noting keenness of the two countries to constantly develop them,” it said.

The voicemail yielded no details about the meeting. But Giuliani can be heard telling the man that he’s “got to call Robert again tomorrow.”

“Is Robert around?” Giuliani asks.

“He’s in Turkey,” the man responds.

Giuliani replies instantly. “The problem is we need some money.”

The two men then go silent. Nine seconds pass. No word is spoken. Then Giuliani chimes in again.

“We need a few hundred thousand,” he says.

It’s unclear what the two men were talking about. But Giuliani is known to have worked closely with a Robert who has ties to Turkey.

His name is Robert Mangas, and he’s a lawyer at the firm Greenberg Traurig LLP, as well as a registered agent of the Turkish government.

Giuliani himself was employed by Greenberg Traurig until about May 2018.

Mangas’s name appears in court documents related to the case of Reza Zarrab, a Turkish gold trader charged in the U.S. with laundering Iranian money in a scheme to evade American sanctions.

Giuliani was brought on to assist Zarrab in 2017. He traveled to Turkey with his former law partner Michael Mukasey and attempted to strike a deal with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to secure the release of their jailed client, alarming the federal prosecutor leading the case.

Giuliani and Mangas were both employed by Greenberg Traurig at the time. The firm and Mangas had registered with the Justice Department to lobby the U.S. government on behalf of Turkey, according to an affidavit from Mangas.

Mangas did not return a request for comment.

Giuliani’s conversation partner can be heard responding to the "few hundred thousand" comment. But it’s possible to make out only the beginning of his answer, and even that is somewhat garbled.

“I’d say even if Bahrain could get, I’m not sure how good [unintelligible words] with his people,” the man says.

“Yeah, okay,” Giuliani says.

“You want options? I got options,” the man says.

“Yeah give me options,” Giuliani replies.

The exchange took place at the 2:20 mark in the voicemail message. The other man does most of the talking in the remaining 40 seconds, and it’s difficult to piece together what he says.
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There's more here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901
 
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1187689872540274689

Authored by James Howard Kunstler via Kunstler.com,

It was interesting to watch the Cable News divas go incandescent under the glare of their own gaslight late yesterday when they received the unpleasant news that the Barr & Durham “review” of RussiaGate had been officially upgraded to a “criminal investigation.”
Rachel Maddow’s trademark pouty-face got a workout as she strained to imagine “…what the thing is that Durham might be looking into.” Yes, that’s a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, all right… with a sputtering fuse sticking out of it. Welcome to the Wile E. Coyote Lookalike Club, Rache. You’ll have a lot of competition when the Sunday morning news-chat shows rev up.


Minutes later, the answer dawned on her:

“It [the thing] follows the wildest conspiracy theories from Fox News!”
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You’d think that someone who invested two-plus years of her life in the Mueller report, which blew up in her pouty-face last spring, might have felt a twinge of journalistic curiosity as to the sum-and-substance of the thing. But no, she just hauled on-screen RussiaGate intriguer David Laufman, a former DOJ lawyer who ran the agency’s CounterIntel and Export Control desk during the RussiaGate years, and also helped oversee the botched Hillary Clinton private email server probe.

“They have this theory,” Rachel said, “that maybe Russia didn’t interfere in the election….”
“It’s preposterous,” said Laufman, all lawyered up and ready to draw a number and take a seat for his own grand jury testimony.
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Over in the locked ward of CNN, Andy Cooper and Jeff Toobin attempted to digest the criminal investigation news as if someone had ordered in a platter of **** sandwiches for the green room just before air-time. Toobin pretended to not know exactly who the mysterious Joseph Misfud was, and struggled to even pronounce his name: “…Mifsood? Misfood…? You mean the Italian professor?” No Jeff, the guy employed by several “friendly” foreign intelligence agencies, and the CIA, to sandbag Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, and failed. I guess when you’re at the beating heart of TV news, you don’t have to actually follow any of the stories reported outside your locked ward, and maybe entertain a few angles outside your purview, i.e. your range of thought and experience.
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greg0205 said:
Butt-dialed.

Old-man Rudy managed to butt-dial an NBC journalist.

He probably sat on his phone and it dialed a recent call number from... an NBC journalist.

He can be heard talking for three minutes, after butt-dialing an NBC journalist.

Talking about trashing Joe Biden and needing lotsa cash, on a butt-dailed call to... an NBC journalist.

You can't learn this kinda stupid, you have to be born with it.



There's more here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901
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WTF is this? The 90s? How does anyone 'butt dial' nowadays?:unsure:
 
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Judge says impeachment inquiry is legal and justifies disclosing grand jury material https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/politics/grand-jury-impeachment-mueller/index.html


Washington (CNN) - A federal judge on Friday gave a legal endorsement to the House Democrats' impeachment probe into President Donald Trump and ordered the Justice Department to release grand jury information redacted from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

The ruling is a blow to the Trump administration's claims that the House is not conducting a valid impeachment inquiry since there's been no formal vote to authorize the probe.

"(A)n impeachment trial is an exercise of judicial power," Howell wrote. "Contrary to (the Justice Department's) position -- and as historical practice, the Federalist Papers, the text of the Constitution, and Supreme Court precedent all make clear -- impeachment trials are judicial in nature and constitute judicial proceedings."
 
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Do you remember that time when Mr Trump cancelled a visit to Denmark after he wanted to buy Greenland from them and they said it's not for sale, which seemed to infuriate him ("how dare you not sell Greenland to me, I mean the US!" - paraphrasing, not an actual Donald Trump quote).

Well, if I were a country playing competitive sport against the US, I'd consider just losing to them, for I wouldn't put it past Mr Trump to exact revenge for sporting humiliation through economic and other policy. Countries that beat the US in sport may yet find themselves at the receiving end of tariffs, political boycotts by the Trump administration (e.g. refusing to meet with their heads of state) etc.

It sounds far-fetched, but so did the Greenland episode before it happened. That's what it's come to under Donald Trump.
 
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scudsucker said:
When you are sober again, I suggest you read what you typed here.
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"Indeed, only generations old inbred stupidity would not recognize that call was done on purpose and made to look like an accident ...
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He is saying that "call was done on purpose and made to look like an accident." If you don't realize it, you have "generations old inbred stupidity"

So, basically trump & rudi are playing 5-D chess and we are all too stupid to fall for it.
 
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