US Politics and Trump Category IV - I've never even heard of one that big before

[Gingerbeardman]

Maybe, if, could, might, perhaps, possibly
Same old story of requiring all the planets of all the solar systems of all the galaxies in the milky way to be aligned.

It just requires 1 guy to make a few phonecalls to help protect the political interests he's in bed with. Very easy to do and the habit of this person to do exactly that is easily established. It's widely known that he's been doing this for decades.

I'm sure Soros did absolutely nothing to get himself banned from 6 countries and counting.

Btw Shokin killed the Burisma investigation before being fired. That was the problem. He was fired for not investigating the corruption at that company and many others.

Citation needed.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

You implied it, right over here -

I said you were talking k@k because presidents are not obligated to choose the cheapest schithole available when organising get-togethers.

I did not imply it. You chose to infer it on your own. The fact that presidents are not obligated to choose the cheapest schithole does not mean that Camp David is a cheap schithole. Indeed, it kind of implies the opposite of what you claim.

All presidents before Trump chose Camp David and the White House for such events, as they are safer and cheaper. They are the cheapest available when organising such events. So by your implication, schitholes.

Citation needed. You're talking kak. US presidents have organised meet-ups in a wide variety of places.

So it is unreasonable to expect that Trump hosts events in the same way as all other presidents and also unreasonable to wonder why he always chooses his own venues for such events and not cheaper government venues that have performed the function perfectly well for decades?

No, it's you talking nonsense that Trump is behaving according to a different standard than other presidents.

 

[lumeer]

I expect that some day, they'll refer to 2016 - 2024 as the "eight lost years" under Trump. I think that he'll be impeached, but not removed from office, and sadly, I think he'll get a second term, and he'll continue to corrupt the US government and promote his regressive policies. The US may never fully recover from eight years of Trump. Sure, in the short run, the US economy may seem to be doing well, but this is the legacy of Obama, and it won't last under Trump. In the bigger picture, Trump is destroying the USA. It's a bit like when poor ANC supporters used to attend Zuma rallies where they'd get a free lunch and would leave thinking that life was good.

China will fill the vacuum that is being left behind by the US as they withdraw from the world stage under Trump's America First policy. I think that I'll get a head start and begin learning Chinese. The future belongs to China, with help from Trump.

 

[cerebus]

Again its all he said that he said that they said that he said... there was no announcement made, and phone calls took place(the same phone call that wb blew whislte about which lands us here)

It's not he said she said, it's every single witness said exactly the same thing. That's how evidence works in a criminal investigation.

yes, imo it is okay, and happens all the time. There are always demands put in place prior to money being handed out between gov. Quite frankly, I wish places like US would say, nope, no more money for SA until the thieves are all locked up and the looted billions are recouped, otherwise, like currently, its just being looted so its a waste of money. (hell, just recently we were/still are at risk of losing our zero import tariffs with US due to changing copyright/patent laws or something - daft example, but its no different)

And the fact that Trump actually didn't even want an investigation carried out?

Trump didn’t want an investigation into Biden. He wanted a political show.

Sondland’s most quietly damning statement: A real investigation by Ukraine was not the explicit goal.

www.vox.com

SCHIFF: And in order to perform that official act [a meeting in the Oval Office], Donald Trump wanted these two investigations that would help his reelection campaign, correct?
SONDLAND: I can’t characterize why he wanted them. All I can tell you is this is what we heard from Mr. Giuliani.
SCHIFF: But he had to get those two investigations if that official act was going to take place, correct?
SONDLAND: He had to announce the investigations. He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.

To be honest, you'd have to be totally gullible to believe that Trump was in any way interested in tackling corruption. For one thing, if he was he would have used legal and upfront channels - you know, to get away from corruption. For another thing, he ONLY cared about two things and both of them concerned either his past or his future elections.

So you're happy being Trump's bitch?

 

[greg0205]

Suing-a-cow-Devin, in trying to make a point about Nellie Ohr and the 2016 election, asks Holmes and Hill:

"Do you think it's okay for political parties to send operatives to foreign countries to dig up dirt on their opponents?"

And I'm going to let you sit with that for a while...

 

[Temujin]

It's not he said she said, it's every single witness said exactly the same thing. That's how evidence works in a criminal investigation.



And the fact that Trump actually didn't even want an investigation carried out?

Trump didn’t want an investigation into Biden. He wanted a political show.

Sondland’s most quietly damning statement: A real investigation by Ukraine was not the explicit goal.

www.vox.com

To be honest, you'd have to be totally gullible to believe that Trump was in any way interested in tackling corruption. For one thing, if he was he would have used legal and upfront channels - you know, to get away from corruption. For another thing, he ONLY cared about two things and both of them concerned either his past or his future elections.

So you're happy being Trump's bitch?

Thats not what was said, you quoted it, and have listened to it, perhaps read it again

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Suing-a-cow-Devin, in trying to make a point about Nellie Ohr and the 2016 election, asks Holmes and Hill:

"Do you think it's okay for political parties to send operatives to foreign countries to dig up dirt on their opponents?"

And I'm going to let you sit with that for a while...

Wait for it....

 

[greg0205]

In unrelated news, Bibi's just became the first, sitting, Israeli prime minister to be charged with bribery, fraud and breach of trust.

 

[greg0205]

Republican questioning of Fiona Hill is going really, really, really well...



For Democrats.

 

[cerebus]

Thats not what was said, you quoted it, and have listened to it, perhaps read it again

That’s what was said

 

[Temujin]

That’s what was said

Here we go again with your round in circle bs

And the fact that Trump actually didn't even want an investigation carried out?

Show us where 'trump actually didn't even want an investigation carried out'... not your interpretations, not your assumptions, not your feels, and not voxs opinions, assumptions or feels.

Just where 'the fact that trump actually didn't even want an investigation carried out'

from your post link:

SCHIFF: And in order to perform that official act [a meeting in the Oval Office], Donald Trump wanted these two investigations that would help his reelection campaign, correct?
SONDLAND: I can’t characterize why he wanted them. All I can tell you is this is what we heard from Mr. Giuliani.
SCHIFF: But he had to get those two investigations if that official act was going to take place, correct?
SONDLAND: He had to announce the investigations. He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.

GOLDMAN: Giuliani and President Trump didn’t actually care if they did them, right?
SONDLAND: I never heard, Mr. Goldman, anyone say that the investigations had to start or be completed. The only thing I heard from Mr. Giuliani or otherwise was that they had to be announced. ... President Trump presumably, communicated through Mr. Giuliani, wanted the Ukrainians on-record publicly that they were going to do those investigations.
GOLDMAN: You never heard anyone say that they really wanted them to do the investigations.
SONDLAND: I didn’t hear either way.

 

[greg0205]

I’m pretty sure Fiona Hill isn’t the smartest person in that room...


... She’s the smartest person in Washington.

 

[Temujin]

I’m pretty sure Fiona Hill isn’t the smartest person in that room...


... She’s the smartest person in Washington.

Was thinking the same

 

[greg0205]

In Gym Jordan's defence, he knew enough to know he wasn't equipped to question Fiona Hill...

What a pity his questioning of Holmes blew up in his face anyway.

 

[AlmightyBender]

In Gym Jordan's defence, he knew enough to know he wasn't equipped to question Fiona Hill...

What a pity his questioning of Holmes blew up in his face anyway.

Indeed it did, kept interrupting cause the answer was... Not the narrative he wanted?

 

[greg0205]

Indeed it did, kept interrupting cause the answer was... Not the narrative he wanted?

It's looks awkward when you smugly assume a witness will answer one way, and they answer a whole other way.

 

[greg0205]

Once bitten... Looks like Repubs are a bit gun-shy now... Turner filibustering through his minutes without asking a single question.

Better to shoot for a Fox soundbite than have Fiona turn you to ash.


EDIT: LOL. Wenstrup filibustered too. Hill asked to respond, Schiff said yes and I thought Wenstrup was going to soil himself. His pout as he listens is priceless...

She's burning down the Republican Ukraine 2016 BS again... She's so good. So very good.


MORE EDITS: Bwahahahahaha! Chris Stewart's filibustering too. This is priceless.

 

[buka001]

I did not imply it. You chose to infer it on your own. The fact that presidents are not obligated to choose the cheapest schithole does not mean that Camp David is a cheap schithole. Indeed, it kind of implies the opposite of what you claim.


Citation needed. You're talking kak. US presidents have organised meet-ups in a wide variety of places.


No, it's you talking nonsense that Trump is behaving according to a different standard than other presidents.

Sure, but how many did it at their own resort and profited from it?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Sure, but how many did it at their own resort and profited from it?

It doesn't matter if the resorts are providing their services at market competitive rates and the advisors or whatever aren't drinking shots of gold-plated caviar, i.e. spending disproportionate amounts of money on delicacies.

So long as the costs are reasonable, it doesn't actually harm Uncle Sam in any significant way, and the idea that this is corruption like what Zuma did is fscking childish.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

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