US Politics and Trump Category IV - I've never even heard of one that big before

[OrbitalDawn]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/24/democrats-investigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/

The walls are closing in!

Did you see the bits where part of why they pushed for him to get fired was because he was slow-walking the investigation into Burisma?

So, with a straight face, Trumpets (not you necessarily) are going to argue that the Obama admin (with Biden as VP) pushed to get the prosecutor removed who was slow-walking the investigation into Burisma (on whose Board Hunter Biden sat) instead of actually investigating it, in order to benefit Hunter Biden? Good grief...

TDS... you're pissed that he asked for them to investigate the criminals and the dirt on the criminals(your homies yoh) is coming out... yet not pissed at the criminals and their crimes

Oh... and still no quid pro quo in anything you quoted there, or 'threat' as you say

Try again, this time in English, please.

It's actually fairly hilarious how you expect anyone to believe that the Trump admin (the campaign of which was chaired by Paul Manafort) somehow became very passionate about corruption in Ukraine...?

No one has more contempt for Trump supporters than the Trump admin.

Why does it feel like the real target here was Biden? Wouldn't surprise me if this whole thing was engineered by one or more of the other democrat nominees under the pretext of attacking Trump in order to get rid of one of the strongest contenders. Let's face it, this has publicized a potential scandal with Biden and his son, and not done any real damage to Trump, IMHO.

Yes, the target was Biden. Trump pushed Ukraine to make things up about his main political rival.

That you think this is a scandal for Biden and his son, despite there being zero evidence of wrong-doing by either of them, instead of for the blatant and insanely corrupt Trump and co. is somewhat astounding.

The president's personal lawyer is going around Eastern Europe pushing for foreign governments to investigate his political rivals.

Giuliani admitted it in May already!

In May, Mr. Giuliani told The New York Times that he was pushing Ukraine to investigate the Bidens “because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”

And how on earth would a Dem nominee rival "engineer" Trump's behaviour here?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Did you see the bits where part of why they pushed for him to get fired was because he was slow-walking the investigation into Burisma?

So, with a straight face, Trumpets (not you necessarily) are going to argue that the Obama admin (with Biden as VP) pushed to get the prosecutor removed who was slow-walking the investigation into Burisma (on whose Board Hunter Biden sat) instead of actually investigating it, in order to benefit Hunter Biden? Good grief...

Lol, why would anyone waste their time with that sideshow? Read the transcript more closely; what server is Trump talking about?

Oh and the Ukraine story is going to be over the way the Dems had the investigation into the Ukrainian end of the Russia Collusion hoax killed. This is such an epic self-own on the part of the Dems.

Try again, this time in English, please.

It's actually fairly hilarious how you expect anyone to believe that the Trump admin (the campaign of which was chaired by Paul Manafort) somehow became very passionate about corruption in Ukraine...?

Draining the swamp means what?

No one has more contempt for Trump supporters than the Trump admin.

Basket of Deplorables ring a bell?

Yes, the target was Biden. Trump pushed Ukraine to make things up about his main political rival.

Very clever of Trump to manipulate his Ukrainian counterpart to bring the matter up in conversation without prompting on Trump's part.

That you think this is a scandal for Biden and his son, despite there being zero evidence of wrong-doing by either of them, instead of for the blatant and insanely corrupt Trump and co. is somewhat astounding.

The president's personal lawyer is going around Eastern Europe pushing for foreign governments to investigate his political rivals.

Giuliani admitted it in May already!

Very clever of Giuliani to manipulate the state department into asking him to look into it. Here is a simple question: why did the FBI stonewall the Ukrainians for over a year regarding the information they were trying to get to the Americans?

And how on earth would a Dem nominee rival "engineer" Trump's behaviour here?

Lol. What server do the Ukrainians purportedly have?

Let’s get real: Democrats were first to enlist Ukraine in US elections

Since at least 2016, Democrats repeatedly have exerted pressure on Ukraine, a key U.S. ally for buffering Russia, to meddle in U.S. politics and elections.

thehill.com

Inb4 cries of "opinion piece"...

One wonders how the Dems are going to convince everyone it's no big deal what they did when they were screaming blue murder for years trying to impeach Trump for doing the same thing?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Lindsey Graham seems to have some shifting positions on the topic...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176974858158321664

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Here's a quick primer on the batschit conspiracy theory that Xarog is going to be pushing for the next while.

Or as Jake helpfully put it: "Trump apparently believes the tech company Crowdstrike helped the FBI steal a missing DNC server that doesn't exist and give it to a rich Ukrainian who also doesn't exist, and he asked the president of Ukraine for help "getting to the bottom of it." "

What Is CrowdStrike and Why Is Donald Trump Blabbering About It to Ukraine

Donald Trump talked about a cybersecurity firm in a phone call with the Ukraine President that is now the focus of an impeachment inquiry.

www.vice.com

 

[OrbitalDawn]

This is very good and speaks to the point I've made before regarding there not being some massive blob of "centrists" in US society.

The Moderate Middle Is A Myth

Graphics by Ella Koeze Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Independent voters will decide the election. Or better yet: Moderate voters will decide the elec…

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Here's a quick primer on the batschit conspiracy theory that Xarog is going to be pushing for the next while.

Or as Jake helpfully put it: "Trump apparently believes the tech company Crowdstrike helped the FBI steal a missing DNC server that doesn't exist and give it to a rich Ukrainian who also doesn't exist, and he asked the president of Ukraine for help "getting to the bottom of it." "

What Is CrowdStrike and Why Is Donald Trump Blabbering About It to Ukraine

Donald Trump talked about a cybersecurity firm in a phone call with the Ukraine President that is now the focus of an impeachment inquiry.

www.vice.com

For the second time...

Listen properly! /Zuma

Also:

John Durham probing Ukraine as part of Trump-Russia investigation origins

U.S. Attorney John Durham is investigating Ukraine’s role in potential 2016 election interference, the Justice Department confirmed Wednesday, the same day transcripts showed that President Trump’s famous call to the Ukrainian president centered around that country’s possible aid in a probe of a...

www.washingtontimes.com

Crowdstrike did more than provide forensics after the DNC hack. It's funny how Vice doesn't understand why Trump remembers the name of the company that took part in the plot to screw him out of the 2016 election with the help of illegal FISA warrants.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1

The tweets/retweets on this account in the last 24 hours is just golden. Haha, Sidney Powell knows exactly what's up.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1177001871153778693

 

[BBSA]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176930486859509760

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Here's a quick primer on the batschit conspiracy theory that Xarog is going to be pushing for the next while.

Or as Jake helpfully put it: "Trump apparently believes the tech company Crowdstrike helped the FBI steal a missing DNC server that doesn't exist and give it to a rich Ukrainian who also doesn't exist, and he asked the president of Ukraine for help "getting to the bottom of it." "

What Is CrowdStrike and Why Is Donald Trump Blabbering About It to Ukraine

Donald Trump talked about a cybersecurity firm in a phone call with the Ukraine President that is now the focus of an impeachment inquiry.

www.vice.com

How is that ANY different from spending millions and years on a Russia conspiracy ... that doesn't exist?

The bit that will be pushed for the next little while will be exclusively focused on how the leftist retards could formally start impeachment proceedings based on fake news. GTFO of here with your weak red herring.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

when the MSM turns on itself:
WSJ Journo Shreds "Attempt To Take Out A President" After Transcript Release

Presented without commentary:

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel
· 15h
1) Having read DOJ’s Trump-Ukraine release, here’s the real story: This is another internal attempt to take out a president, on the basis of another non-smoking-gun.

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel

2)As to call transcript itself: Trump’s actual “favor” is that Ukraine look backward, to what happened in the 2016 election. This is a legitimate ask, since election meddling looks to have come from both Russia and Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1176865142828457984

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel
· 15h
Replying to @KimStrassel
3)(Indeed, this is a big enough issue that we find out this morning that U.S. Attorney John Durham is looking at what role the Ukraine played in the FBI investigation.)

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel

4)It is actually Zelensky who brings up Rudy Giuliani—saying they can’t wait to “meet him.” And it is Zelensky who references “that investigation,” as he goes on to promise that “all investigations will be done openly and candidly.”
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1176865145202470913

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel
· 15h
Replying to @KimStrassel
5)Trump says “good” and expresses worries that a “good” prosecutor was “shut down.” Mentions “Biden’s son” and that Biden bragged he “stopped the prosecution.” Ends that bit with “It sounds horrible to me.”

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel

6)Trump's several references to Giuliani are mostly to say what a great guy he is. He says he will have Giuliani and AG Barr call. He asks Zelensky to speak/work with both.
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1176865147597443073

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel
· 15h
Replying to @KimStrassel
7)And, never mind, because: DOJ in statement says the President has not spoken to AG about investigating Biden and has not asked the AG to contact the Ukraine. Also, Barr has not communicated with Ukraine—“on this or any subject.”

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel

8)Meanwhile, the IG back in August referred this to DOJ as potential violation of campaign finance law, based on whistleblower complaint. Criminal Division evaluated and determined no violation: “All relevant components of the Department agreed with this legal conclusion.”

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel
· 15h
Replying to @KimStrassel
9) Whistleblower? Look at this nugget, referenced in the OLC opinion. The IG’s review found "some indicia of an arguable political bias on the part of the Complainant in favor of a rival political candidate.”

Kimberley Strassel
✔@KimStrassel

10)Media got all this so wrong. And Democrats look all the more partisan and radical to have moved toward impeachment.

 

[Temujin]

 

[Emjay]

Yeah Antifa tried that, a lot of reeing from you ensued.

Yeah, physical violence should not be met with any consternation, hey? Andy Ngo is such a grifter, he deserved it.

Speaking about "reeing", Greta is waiting for her white knight.

when the MSM turns on itself:
WSJ Journo Shreds "Attempt To Take Out A President" After Transcript Release

I just love the new age we are in where career politicians are now leaking anything and everything to the press. The next president has to now deal with this new landscape.

 

[cerebus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1176930486859509760

Here's another flashback to May:

Rudy Giuliani Plans Ukraine Trip to Push for Inquiries That Could Help Trump (Published 2019)

The president’s personal lawyer is stepping up efforts to urge the Ukrainian government to wade into United States politics by pursuing investigations that touch on Joe Biden and Paul Manafort.

www.nytimes.com

Mr. Giuliani’s plans create the remarkable scene of a lawyer for the president of the United States pressing a foreign government to pursue investigations that Mr. Trump’s allies hope could help him in his re-election campaign. And it comes after Mr. Trump spent more than half of his term facing questions about whether his 2016 campaign conspired with a foreign power.

“We’re not meddling in an election, we’re meddling in an investigation, which we have a right to do,” Mr. Giuliani said in an interview on Thursday when asked about the parallel to the special counsel’s inquiry.
“There’s nothing illegal about it,” he said. “Somebody could say it’s improper. And this isn’t foreign policy — I’m asking them to do an investigation that they’re doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I’m going to give them reasons why they shouldn’t stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”

 

[surface]

I just love the new age we are in where career politicians are now leaking anything and everything to the press. The next president has to now deal with this new landscape.

Is it a leak if you send them yourself?

And what you mean by next president? DT is here till the third term.

The White House accidentally emailed its Ukraine talking points to Nancy Pelosi

theweek.com

 

[BBSA]

Here's another flashback to May:

Rudy Giuliani Plans Ukraine Trip to Push for Inquiries That Could Help Trump (Published 2019)

The president’s personal lawyer is stepping up efforts to urge the Ukrainian government to wade into United States politics by pursuing investigations that touch on Joe Biden and Paul Manafort.

www.nytimes.com

This is going too end up just like the Russian collusion hoax

Seems the dems are scared to take him on in an election.

 

[Temujin]

This is going too end up just like the Russian collusion hoax

Seems the dems are scared to take him on in an election.

I see it ending in lots of dems being charged and locked up... all them juicy details(the ones the dems are trying to get hidden, threats to ukraine, billions they got for selling the county to china etc, all gonna come out)... gonna be a **** fest watching them all turn on each other throwing each other under the bus, and trump, well, he'll still be there for another 4 years

 

[Unhappy438]

Yeah, physical violence should not be met with any consternation, hey? Andy Ngo is such a grifter, he deserved it.

Speaking about "reeing", Greta is waiting for her white knight.

Those are your words not mine, looks like old Andy has his own white knight as well, i doubt hes into you though, probably just ask you to make a bunch of sandwiches or something.

 

[Emjay]

Those are your words not mine, looks like old Andy has his own white knight as well.

But you so dearly like putting words in my mouth, so I am just returning the favour.

 

[Unhappy438]

But you so dearly like putting words in my mouth, so I am just returning the favour.

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