US Politics and Trump Category IV - I've never even heard of one that big before

Will Trump be impeached?

  • Hell yeah he's guilty as a mofo

    Votes: 40 21.1%
  • He's gonna keep triggering leftards until 2024

    Votes: 112 58.9%
  • Whoever made this poll clearly has no idea how impeachment works

    Votes: 38 20.0%

  • Total voters
    190
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buka001

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I know many anti-Trump people are getting excited over this.

I am not. Nothing will come of it. Far too many sycophants in the GOP who will block it in the Senate and far too many incompetent Democrats to make this of any substance.

Tired of all these So and So is going to jail, from Trump to Hillary to who ever.

Democrats need to focus on the election, build up a team that focus on things that matter to everyday americans. Unless they get more unequivocal evidence on this Ukraine story, it is and will just be another Russia 2.0 and the end will not be good for the Dems at the polls.
 

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Yeah, they had so many options to verify this before printing this garbage, but like all msm nowadays (especially around trump) 'journalism' no longer exists

Truth no longer exists around Trump in general and that includes Trump himself. So why someone would believe the Trump denial is a mystery to me as much as it would be for those who just straight up believe these media stories.
 

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I know many anti-Trump people are getting excited over this.

I am not. Nothing will come of it. Far too many sycophants in the GOP who will block it in the Senate and far too many incompetent Democrats to make this of any substance.

Tired of all these So and So is going to jail, from Trump to Hillary to who ever.

Democrats need to focus on the election, build up a team that focus on things that matter to everyday americans. Unless they get more unequivocal evidence on this Ukraine story, it is and will just be another Russia 2.0 and the end will not be good for the Dems at the polls.
Agreed. They still not focusing on getting behind 1 person to lead them
 

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Truth no longer exists around Trump in general and that includes Trump himself. So why someone would believe the Trump denial is a mystery to me as much as it would be for those who just straight up believe these media stories.
They could have just asked him for example... eg oi, did you say you were going to resign? No. Okay, thanks... alexa call office... hello, yeah, that 'hes gonna resign story' the drunk bum on the corner mumbled about before passing out I thought I had is bs, don't run it
 

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They could have just asked him for example... eg oi, did you say you were going to resign? No. Okay, thanks... alexa call office... hello, yeah, that 'hes gonna resign story' the drunk bum on the corner mumbled about before passing out I thought I had is bs, don't run it

I haven't really read into the specifics of the example you are citing, however that's not how it always works. You don't always can a story because the subject denies it, you get that right? You do however print their response and its good journalist principles to seek a response of course.

Anyone got a link to the specific story?

Edit: Nvm found it.

They printed his denial with the article. Looks all above board to me.
 

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Agreed. They still not focusing on getting behind 1 person to lead them
worth pointing out that the GOP never got behind 1 person to lead the team and still won the last election ... with the candidate they were all actively trying to torpedo internally

just imagine how shyte the opposition candidate truly was to lose against that with a united team behind her ...
 

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I haven't really read into the specifics of the example you are citing, however that's not how it always works. You don't always can a story because the subject denies it, you get that right? You do however print their response and its good journalist principles to seek a response of course.

Anyone got a link to the specific story?

Edit: Nvm found it.

They printed his denial with the article. Looks all above board to me.
No, they updated the story after he(and wh) released statements saying its bs... also, only gave wh 6min to respond before saying 'did not respond/did not comment/defualt unable to reach/whatever'... there is nothing 'above board' about it, just more bs fake news peddling
 

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No, they updated the story after he(and wh) released statements saying its bs... also, only gave wh 6min to respond before saying 'did not respond/did not comment/defualt unable to reach/whatever'... there is nothing 'above board' about it, just more bs fake news peddling

The wayback machine shows the very first edition containing his comments, i will have to go through what the subsequent edits changed but its not that.

Edit: As per following post, his comments are there but they are on another matter. So not good journalist principles.
 
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Ok so below is the first edition of the article, the headline and some paragraph ordering were changed, as well as some words.

Acting director of national intelligence threatened to resign if he couldn’t speak freely before Congress

The acting Director of National Intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about an explosive whistleblower complaint about the president, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The revelation reflects the extraordinary tensions between the White House and the nation’s highest-ranking intelligence official over a matter that has triggered impeachment proceedings against President Trump.

The officials said that Joseph Maguire, who was thrust into the top intelligence post last month, warned the White House that he was not willing to withhold information from Congress, where he is scheduled to testify in open and closed hearings on Thursday.

The move was in part designed to force the White House to make an explicit legal decision on whether it was going to assert executive privilege over the whistleblower complaint, which centers on a call that Trump made with the leader of Ukraine in late July.

[Some Senate Republicans stunned,question White House’s judgement after release]

In essence, Maguire was serving notice that he intended to cooperate with lawmakers unless the White House moved forward with a legal case to prevent him from doing so, the officials said.

The White House and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Maguire has been caught in the middle of a fight between Congress and the executive branch over the contents of the whistleblower report since it reached his office late last month.

He has at times expressed his displeasure to White House counsel Pat Cipollone and others that the White House had put him in the untenable position of denying the material to Congress over a claim that it did not fall within his jurisdiction as leader of the intelligence community.

The contents of Trump’s call were released by the White House on Wednesday, showing that Trump repeatedly pressured Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to pursue investigations that might yield political dirt against Trump’s adversaries including former Vice President Joe Biden.

Maguire became DNI last month after the resignations of previous director Daniel Coats and Trump’s refusal to allow the deputy director, Sue Gordon, to step into the senior job.

Since the whistleblower controversy erupted earlier this month, Maguire has been the target of harsh criticism from Democratic lawmakers who accuse him of blocking the complaint from being transmitted to Congress.

It was unclear whether Maguire’s threat had forced the White House to acquiesce and allow him to testify without constraint. But officials said Maguire has pursued the opportunity to meet with lawmakers to defend his actions and integrity.

In his only public statement on the matter, issued Tuesday evening, Maguire said, “In light of recent reporting on the whistleblower complaint, I want to make clear that I have upheld my responsibility to follow the law every step of the way.”

“ I am committed to protecting whistleblowers and ensuring every complaint is handled appropriately,” Maguire added. “I look forward to continuing to work with the Administration and Congress to find a resolution regarding this important matter

It looks like his comments are more about the whistle blower than the resignation, so you have a point.

If you wish to play with the wayback machine its here, you can view each instance they have edited - https://archive.org/web/
 

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The wayback machine shows the very first edition containing his comments, i will have to go through what the subsequent edits changed but its not that.
The version I see on way back says
The White House and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Time between story break and request for comment was 6min according to them.... thats no time to respond to anything when you have to make dozens of calls, get people out of meetings etc to find out whats happening and draft a response...
 

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Ok so its a classic case of the media rushing to be the first to release a story rather than waiting a bit longer and getting all the facts.
Yeah, and they seem to be doing it more and more, almost seems easier to just edit/update than actually fact check anymore
 
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