US Politics : Biden 100 days edition

[konfab]

Has it occurred to you that this person has a behavioral problem that they can't control? Has it occurred to you that your own medical treatment will be subsidised by others if you ever are afflicted by a major illness? Your views on universal coverage are born out of fear, not love.

No, they are based in reality, with economics behind it.

Have you seen what public healthcare looks like in South Africa?

 

[konfab]

So should people with lifestyle diseases such as type 2 diabetes, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, lung cancer, all be left out to dry because of their poor choices? Is it fair on healthy medical aid members that their premiums get driven up by people who are sick with lifestyle diseases? What about the fact that all people pay tax; are they not entitled to basic healthcare from paying tax?

Taxes shouldn't be used to provide anything other than protecting individual rights.

They should only provide things like a police system, a judiciary etc.

 

[rietrot]

What if the person cannot pay more? What if they are unable to earn an income? Must they be left to suffer and die?

I would think the obvious solution is to correct their lifestyles and get a job.

 

[lumeer]

No, they are based in reality, with economics behind it.

Have you seen what public healthcare looks like in South Africa?

America can afford quality universal healthcare.

 

[konfab]

What if the person cannot pay more? What if they are unable to earn an income? Must they be left to suffer and die?

If they are unable to earn an income, then they would be unable to afford the things that cause lifestyle diseases like overeating, drinking and smoking.

 

[lumeer]

I would think the obvious solution is to correct their lifestyles and get a job.

What if they cannot work due to their medical problem? For example, if they suffered a stroke that left them paralysed and unable to speak?

 

[konfab]

What if they cannot work due to their medical problem? For example, if they suffered a stroke that left them paralysed and unable to speak?

That is why you have life insurance. That type of cover is actually fairly cheap in comparison with medical aid premiums.

 

[greg0205]

Libertarianism has entered the chat, which means it's time to post this classic again...

 

[lumeer]

If they are unable to earn an income, then they would be unable to afford the things that cause lifestyle diseases like overeating, drinking and smoking.

Lifestyle diseases manifest years down the line. You don't get lung cancer from a lifetime of smoking and are suddenly cured when you stop smoking.

 

[lumeer]

That is why you have life insurance. That type of cover is actually fairly cheap in comparison with medical aid premiums.

That's disability cover, not life insurance, and it's not that cheap.

 

[tetrasect]

Chronic overeating and laziness and being weak willed. I count 3 behavior problems.



Thats how all medical aids/insurance work. No need to involve the government. Private companies are better at assessing risk.

 

[greg0205]

That's disability cover, not life insurance, and it's not that cheap.

See, the thing is, you're looking at this from a human perspective, which is absolutely normal, but that's where wires get crossed... Libertarians view humans as line-items they'll put up with if they maximise corporate profits, and if they don't, well then those humans need to be junked.

The "sick/poor folks need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps" replies you've been getting is the argument Libertarians use to look away without caring.

 

[Tofu]

Better than frikken Democrats putting into law that if you steal something below $900 you can't be arrested.
It's complete madness, the Democrats are losing their collective minds.

Once again, dishonest. Is your dishonesty deliberate or are you just ignorant? Link

 

[Unhappy438]

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MY HEALTH IS IMPORTANT TO ME. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

Do you not ever get tired of simping for the bajillionaires?

 

[RanzB]

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MY HEALTH IS IMPORTANT TO ME. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

If you're going to use extreme examples in favour of no single payer healthcare scheme, it's fair game to use extreme examples of gun use in the cases of mass killings to abolish guns.

And I say this as someone in favour of guns. Don't be an idiot.

 

[buka001]

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MY HEALTH IS IMPORTANT TO ME. YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

You already do. Even in SA.

 

[buka001]

Chronic overeating and laziness and being weak willed. I count 3 behavior problems.



Thats how all medical aids/insurance work. No need to involve the government. Private companies are better at assessing risk.

Tell me all about how well the private company Group 5 assessed the risk of constructing the power station in Ghana?

 

[konfab]

If you're going to use extreme examples in favour of no single payer healthcare scheme, it's fair game to use extreme examples of gun use in the cases of mass killings to abolish guns.

And I say this as someone in favour of guns. Don't be an idiot.

The problem is that obesity isn't an extreme example:




https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html

 

[konfab]

Tell me all about how well the private company Group 5 assessed the risk of constructing the power station in Ghana?

Whose power station are they building?

You can bet they would be very good with the risk if it was their money on the line.

 

[rietrot]

What if they cannot work due to their medical problem? For example, if they suffered a stroke that left them paralysed and unable to speak?

There exist many private charities and churches that take care of people who can't take car of themselves.
Also family.

The last thing we sould do is make it easy for someone who is extremely obese because that just enables them.